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not in numbers, but in finding a new direction with a future...
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Ken Phillips
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I've the facts, and experience (pro) on the Canon EOS-1D. Great camera, still relevent after two years. I'm on #2 ... they are good enough to steal.
You have Nikon's press release.
How many FPS can you do with that release? How much noise ... notwithstanding what you've generated? ;-}
Are you upset that I find you merely an amusement?
I'll even let you get the last word ... although I won't read it.
A debate I don't mind. I thought that you might spout a fact ... I was in error.
Ken
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You have Nikon's press release.
How many FPS can you do with that release? How much noise ... notwithstanding what you've generated? ;-}
Are you upset that I find you merely an amusement?
I'll even let you get the last word ... although I won't read it.
A debate I don't mind. I thought that you might spout a fact ... I was in error.
Ken
--So I guess you're commenting on the prior poster and his pic, too?
Actually, Ken, you're the one behaving like an attorney who,
having neither the facts nor the law on his side, stands on the
table, screams and shouts.
--debate over. you lose. LOL!
I don't know where you get this foolish babble. I didn't hear you
talking about technology being "turned violently on its head" when
Canon came out with their proprietary CMOS sensors in 3mp, then
6mp, then 11mp. I still haven't seen Nikon produce anything higher
than 6mp. And I still haven't seen a single sample image from the
D2H. I start to wonder when a manufacturer withholds sample images
for so long.
Wanted: Beautiful young woman to be my wife. Must be
obsessive-compulsive about housekeeping.
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Wanted: Beautiful young woman to be my wife. Must be obsessive-compulsive about housekeeping.
http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm
Theodore80476
Leading Member
Yet you assume that innovation is over? Based on (the yet to be shown) LBCAST?
In 2002, Canon spent 233,669 (figures in Million, JPY) on R&D.
Nikon's total sales for FY ending 03/31/2003 was 468,958 (figures in Million, JPY)
Canon's R&D spending is about 1/2 of Nikon's total sales.
This is a bit unfair, considering Canon is a MUCH larger corp, and obviously all of their R&D is not going towards cameras, it's just to put a bit of perspective on the situation for you, to realize how seriously Canon apparently takes R&D.
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Peter Phan
Senior Member
No actual usage. No actual tests. No sample images. It's like writing a movie review by looking at the movie poster.
Listen here. Rational, serious photographers don't go around making grandiose statements about how great a camera is until they've actually seen it or tried it or reviewed it in action. The irrational remarks here are the ones saying the performance is going to be awesome before actually seeing it perform, the image quality is going to be great before actually seeing a single image produced by it, the market sales are going to be stupendous before it even sells a single unit, and that the photographic world will turn violently on its head even though this product doesn't seem that much different from another product that people have been using for about two years now.
Why don't YOU stop making irrational remarks and give us a real hands-on review with real comparative image samples. Then we can ALL judge it as rational serious photographers.
Ken Phillips
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Petteri Sulonen
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Um -- squash? Care to explain to a dummy exactly what is revolutionary about the D2H sensor? According to the specs at least it appears marginally or no more sensitive than the Canon competition, and the pixel count is certainly nothing to shout about. Dynamic range? Noise?
I've only seen two sensors in recent years that can be called "revolutionary" by any stretch of the imagination: the 11MP CMOS on the Canon 1Ds (the only FF sensor that gets the job done in an SLR body) and the Foveon on the SD-9: a new (and technologically sadly immature) paradigm that unfortunately seems to be going the way of Betamax.
The one on the D2H appears remarkable only in that it's manufactured by Nikon.
But please enlighten me -- I really know next to nothing about it.
Petteri
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Petteri Sulonen
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Isaac Crawford wrote:
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[snip rest of good advice]
Petteri
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I dropped by one of the biggest pro camera and photo supplies retailers in Finland, and asked in passing if I could take a gander at a 1Ds. They laughed good-naturedly and said that if I'll put my name on a list, they'll call me when they have one in the store, which would probably be within the next two months...
[snip rest of good advice]
Petteri
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Matt, I have no problem with you having the religious views you have, it's just that I don't want them thrust in my face when I come onto a digital photography forum. I am sure there are better places for them to belong.
You might feel the same if I (or others) signed off our pieces with summaries of atheist, humanist, secularist or non-Christian beliefs, and I wouldn't blame you.
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Mustafa
Rick.L
Active member
Me too, as long as she is not too religious about anything
ie. Nikonians, Canonians (or should that just be canons) olympians or any other onions.
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digital_ray_of_light
Veteran Member
The forums are definately an indicator, but, do we know how many unique posters are there per forum? From what I have observed the Canon SLR forum tends to go into "burst mode" on "hot issues" with multiple posts per person much more often than other forums.
It would also be interesting if we had statistics on how many people read the messages.
It would also be interesting if we had statistics on how many people read the messages.
The current thread is about DSLR market share only, not totalYour number is incorrect, the Nikon number is correct. It's so easy
Canon maybe has 20%-30% market share. See the thread in the Nikon
forum for more info: http://forums.dpreview.com/ ...
... read.asp?forum=1021&message=5678497
digital camera sales.
Walter
Something doesn't add up.
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Theo
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Matt Todd
Forum Enthusiast
I wouldn't really LIKE it, but I realize that those are the views of others, and this IS a public forum (and we DON'T always talk about digital cameras)... There is no better place for them to belong then wherever I go.
God bless,
Matt
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Then we must agree to disagree. I shall try and avoid your postings in future, which is a pity, as you have interesting things to say when on the subject of digital photography.
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Petteri Sulonen
Forum Pro
Matt Todd wrote:
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Hail Satan,
Petteri
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I hope you realize many people find it offensive, though.
Hail Satan,
Petteri
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Derek Clarke
Senior Member
No, I meant fixed focal length 
Apparently the term 'prime' is politically incorrect these days!
Derek
Apparently the term 'prime' is politically incorrect these days!
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Derek Clarke
Senior Member
The 1Ds is currently the best all-rounder as the Kodak DCS14n has noise issues.
I think Minolta have retired hurt from the DSLR market. They might possibly turn up as a 4/3rds licensee eventually, but I don't see them producing a new DSLR for either Dynax/Maxuum or Vectis mounts.
Derek
I think Minolta have retired hurt from the DSLR market. They might possibly turn up as a 4/3rds licensee eventually, but I don't see them producing a new DSLR for either Dynax/Maxuum or Vectis mounts.
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Leonardo Barreto
Forum Enthusiast
I don't see why Minolta wouldn't produce a DSLR. After all, the Maxxum 7 is a superb body and the digital technology of the Dimage 7Hi is also superb ( to me it outshines by far the Nikon 5700 ). Why not mix those two? A 4/3 CCD in a Maxxum 7 or 9 body would also be fantastic!
Ken Phillips
Forum Pro
I can produce an arbitrarily large file from my 1D ... but it has 4.1 photosites.
KP
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KP
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