Absolute best value

cameron2 wrote:

Wilu wrote:

as soon as you consider DOF equivalency (sorry for mentioning that term) the FF lenses to compare to are getting a bit smaller and most probably a lot cheaper. so i take your price comparison with a grain of salt.

You're not going to ever get "equivalency". At pretty much any size sensor, there is a larger sensor and there is a smaller sensor. The larger sensor will tend to have less DOF, will tend to handle a lack of photons more graciously, will tend to have a heavier body, and will tend to have larger lenses. The smaller sensor will tend to have more DOF, will tend to handle a lack of photons less graciously, will tend to have a lighter body, and will tend to have smaller lenses.

i really didn't want to start the equivalency discussion - it seems there are people who care about it and others who don't. that's fine with me.

let me try to put in other words what i meant: if one wanted to compare FF and m43 gear that can produce images with a similar field of view and a similar depth of field and a similar IQ noise wise, then the price difference would not be as big as the OP suggested.

If thinner DOF is your target, you shouldn't compromise and get m43 or APSC or 35mm; you should get a Pentax 845 or a Leica S (etc.)

Everyone's gotta have their priorities ...

mine is to find and use systems with a nice balance between IQ, DOF, cost, portability (weight, size), ergonomics, functionality, fun to use and probably many more that don't spring to my mind right now. i really don't have the money to use the camera with the largest available sensor and i'm really not keen on using a camera that is so small that i can not hold it properly in my hands.

every sensor format is a compromise. you are right, with bigger sensors than the so called full frame you get even shallower depth of field. but when we talk about such cameras and lenses the terms affordability and portability inevitably come to mind. i consider full frame to be a nice compromise, or in other words a sweet spot. another sweet spot is in my opinion m43. but i repeat myself:

Wilu wrote:

that said, i too think that m43 hits a sweet spot, a very nice balance between performance and size (i wouldn't mind if some of the lenses were a bit cheaper, though). another sweet spot is in my view full frame while i see APS-C as a moot compromise since the advent of the EM5 and the IQ that came with it and the newer m43 models.