Panasonic's new full frame mirrorless...

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So, here's a look at Panasonic's (err Leica's) new full frame mirrorless camera.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7448206943/a-lot-to-leica-hands-on-with-the-leica-sl-typ-601

Now, I realize that most people reading this are already familiar with this camera. So, why do I call this a Panasonic camera when it clearly says Leica? What I want to discuss in this thread are the actual technical capabilities of Leica to produce a camera like this. I've maintained all along that their capability to produce a modern camera like this is non-existent, while Panasonic is fully capable of doing so.

We've had a thread here recently where this issue has come up, but I don't think there's been a satisfactory answer (for me anyway) about the Leica/Panasonic partnership.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56787827

Leica has a history of rebranding Panasonic compact cameras and selling them as their own (for double the price). Some interesting reading here:

http://www.fastcompany.com/1310974/enduring-power-brand-leica-vs-panasonic

I believe they've done this 15 times or so in the past. Interestingly, I don't think Panasonic has ever re-branded a Leica. While my purpose here is not to bash Leica, I have to say this type of thing just doesn't give me any positive impression of Leica's capabilities.

What I found most interesting in that thread is that people seem to have some impression that Panasonic is borrowing heavily on Leica tech. Meanwhile, my observation has been the opposite of this. Panasonic routinely makes products for Leica, but I can't put my finger on any definitive thing that Leica has ever contribute the other way around.

So, let's take a look at the specs of the new "Leica":

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1192093-REG/leica_10850_sl_typ_601_mirrorless.html

Here are the specific specs that scream Panasonic:

Internal DCI 4K Video & V-Log L Gamma

4096 x 2160: 24 fps
3840 x 2160: 30 fps, 25 fps
1920 x 1080: 24 fps, 25 fps, 30 fps, 50 fps, 60 fps
1920 x 1080: 100 fps, 120 fps
1280 x 720: 24 fps, 25 fps, 30 fps, 50 fps, 60 fps
1280 x 720: 100 fps, 120 fps

Here are the specific specs that suggest an actual electronics manufacturer, possibly Panasonic:

1. Contrast AF System with 49 Fields

2. In lens optical image stabilization

3. Built-In Wi-Fi Connectivity and GPS

I have no hesitation whatsoever in saying that Leica can't do 4K on their own. It's incredibly far from their pedigree. Meanwhile, there are only a very few Japanese megacorps capable of building a FF camera with 4K. Panasonic, Sony, and Canon are the ones that come to mind, with Panasonic being the only one with the history with Leica.

Even the contrast AF system is not consistent with the Leica pedigree. Does Leica even make anything but purely manual lenses. Do they even have any experience with this. And the lenses are going to be stabilized. Again, this is inconsistent with Leica, which I view as purely a glass maker. Have they ever made a stabilized lens? Even amenities such as wi-fi and GPS are consistent with an electronics manufacturer.

So, where am I going with this? Well, someone please convince me that someone other than Panasonic made both the body and lenses for the system. And, if so, does this mean that Panasonic is entering the FF mirrorless market, or are they just going to make them for Leica?

http://www.eoshd.com/2015/10/leica-sl-screams-panasonic-technology-with-10bit-4k-hdmi-output-is-a-full-frame-gh5-on-the-way/

http://www.eoshd.com/2015/11/leica-sl-hands-on-first-impressions-review-from-a-video-perspective/

And, finally I'll part with a look at the camera.

It even looks like a supersized Panasonic, doesn't it? 

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