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squash said:
Unless Canon has a new sensor technology, Canon will not leapfrog
Nikon's D2H with their 1D follow-on.

Even if they've been able to move CMOS to 1D speeds (a dubious
proposition), it is still a higher noise technology than LBCAST,
even after Canon's noise suppression system.
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Umm, do you have any samples to show us? Nikon claims that there is lower noise, but what else are they going to say? Right now all we have from Nikon is marketing, we'll see if there is really a big difference or not.
squash said:
It looks like Nikon will probably take the lead for the next couple
of camera generations.
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I find it hard to believe that Canon has been sitting on their butts not doing anything in the two years that the 1D has been out. I fully anticipate that they have the advantage, while Nikon was catching up, Canon has been able to do as much R&D as they could on the next generation. It has taken Nikon two years to come up with a camera that is a little better than their compitition, I bet Canon has more up their sleeves but has just been waiting for Nikon to show its hand. I bet that as soon as we hear official pricing on the D2H, we'll hear about the new Canon:-)

Isaac.
squash said:
Jón Ragnarsson said:
No big deal.
Soon (next 6 months) we will probably see Canon 3D (or whatever it
will be called) Nikon D2X and replacement for the D100, so the
leapfrogging goes on.
In the meanwhile, smaller manufacturers are not sitting still.
Pentax *ist and Olympus E-1 will be out soon, Olympus has cheaper
version of the E-camera on the drawing board. And Fuji is probably
designing a successor to the S2 as we speak.
The DSLR revolution seems to be finally taking off, even though we
are not seeing much drop in prices or increase in resolution.
J.
avi said:
I suppose Nikon is the leader in Digital serious photography after
all , this is startign to approach science fiction , just have a
look 2 years back and see the advances ...

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You naively suggest that, on the release date of the 1D, Nikon's R&D had made none of the breakthroughs embedded in the D2h. Nikon wasn't standing still before then, nor has it been afterwards. Canon doesn't have a "two year lead time" on R&D by any stretch of the imagination. And, indeed, there is no reason to believe that Canon has a revolutionary breakthrough in hand, the way Nikon does with the LBCAST.

Nikon's claims regarding the relative noise of the two systems can be taken at their word, or not. I chose to, and if they are indeed correct, Canon R&D is going to have to get off their butts.
Isaac Crawford said:
squash said:
Unless Canon has a new sensor technology, Canon will not leapfrog
Nikon's D2H with their 1D follow-on.

Even if they've been able to move CMOS to 1D speeds (a dubious
proposition), it is still a higher noise technology than LBCAST,
even after Canon's noise suppression system.
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Umm, do you have any samples to show us? Nikon claims that there is
lower noise, but what else are they going to say? Right now all we
have from Nikon is marketing, we'll see if there is really a big
difference or not.
Isaac Crawford said:
It looks like Nikon will probably take the lead for the next couple
of camera generations.
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I find it hard to believe that Canon has been sitting on their
butts not doing anything in the two years that the 1D has been out.
I fully anticipate that they have the advantage, while Nikon was
catching up, Canon has been able to do as much R&D as they could on
the next generation. It has taken Nikon two years to come up with a
camera that is a little better than their compitition, I bet Canon
has more up their sleeves but has just been waiting for Nikon to
show its hand. I bet that as soon as we hear official pricing on
the D2H, we'll hear about the new Canon:-)

Isaac.
Isaac Crawford said:
Jón Ragnarsson said:
No big deal.
Soon (next 6 months) we will probably see Canon 3D (or whatever it
will be called) Nikon D2X and replacement for the D100, so the
leapfrogging goes on.
In the meanwhile, smaller manufacturers are not sitting still.
Pentax *ist and Olympus E-1 will be out soon, Olympus has cheaper
version of the E-camera on the drawing board. And Fuji is probably
designing a successor to the S2 as we speak.
The DSLR revolution seems to be finally taking off, even though we
are not seeing much drop in prices or increase in resolution.
J.
avi said:
I suppose Nikon is the leader in Digital serious photography after
all , this is startign to approach science fiction , just have a
look 2 years back and see the advances ...

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Who would be shooting a group shot or a portrait with a D1h? Unless that's the only camera you got and you only shoot shots requiring higher-res very infrequently, it won't be that big of a deal :-P

Yes, pro's are happy with lower res for sports, etc... Sure, they can want more too (where the D2h comes in). Think about it, are you happy about your car? Or say, would you be happy with a stock Mustang? Now, wouldn't you be even MORE happy with a not-so-stock Mustang, if you get what I'm saying...

God bless,
Matt
Peter Phan said:
avi said:
I know professionals who were
happy with their d1h 2.74mp although wished for a little more .
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First you say they're happy, then you say they want more mp?!? Ask
them how they like cropping down their 2.74mp images. Ask them how
well 2.74mp handles portraits or large group shots.
Peter Phan said:
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dont want to offend anyone but the canon d10 which is a very
efficient and beautiful cam , has had issues with the low light
focusing with the sigma lens for example, i read it on this site
and also tried it at the shop , so you see these are the important
issues to tackle in future .
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I shoot the 10D on a regular basis in low-light receptions and
events. Autofocus performance has been very good. The only time
is may struggle is when the light is VERY low, in which case the
flash's red patterned autofocus assist light kicks in, allowing the
10D to focus on a blank wall in total darkness!
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So YOU think that Canon has been sitting on their butts? Remember one thing: they own the technology to a Foveon competitor, among other things. They also have made CMOS viable in the pro DSLR arena.

I wasn't surprised at Nikon ... and the 1D is such a useful piece of kit that a Nikon equivalent will sell like crazy.

Of course, we've not seen one yet! Canon is pretty good about short times between announcement and release.
KP
squash said:
Nikon's claims regarding the relative noise of the two systems can
be taken at their word, or not. I chose to, and if they are indeed
correct, Canon R&D is going to have to get off their butts.
Isaac Crawford said:
squash said:
Unless Canon has a new sensor technology, Canon will not leapfrog
Nikon's D2H with their 1D follow-on.

Even if they've been able to move CMOS to 1D speeds (a dubious
proposition), it is still a higher noise technology than LBCAST,
even after Canon's noise suppression system.
Click to expand...
Umm, do you have any samples to show us? Nikon claims that there is
lower noise, but what else are they going to say? Right now all we
have from Nikon is marketing, we'll see if there is really a big
difference or not.
squash said:
It looks like Nikon will probably take the lead for the next couple
of camera generations.
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I find it hard to believe that Canon has been sitting on their
butts not doing anything in the two years that the 1D has been out.
I fully anticipate that they have the advantage, while Nikon was
catching up, Canon has been able to do as much R&D as they could on
the next generation. It has taken Nikon two years to come up with a
camera that is a little better than their compitition, I bet Canon
has more up their sleeves but has just been waiting for Nikon to
show its hand. I bet that as soon as we hear official pricing on
the D2H, we'll hear about the new Canon:-)

Isaac.
squash said:
Jón Ragnarsson said:
No big deal.
Soon (next 6 months) we will probably see Canon 3D (or whatever it
will be called) Nikon D2X and replacement for the D100, so the
leapfrogging goes on.
In the meanwhile, smaller manufacturers are not sitting still.
Pentax *ist and Olympus E-1 will be out soon, Olympus has cheaper
version of the E-camera on the drawing board. And Fuji is probably
designing a successor to the S2 as we speak.
The DSLR revolution seems to be finally taking off, even though we
are not seeing much drop in prices or increase in resolution.
J.
avi said:
I suppose Nikon is the leader in Digital serious photography after
all , this is startign to approach science fiction , just have a
look 2 years back and see the advances ...

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Ok, as far as leading in price... let's think here for a second. The D2h hasn't come out yet and by then, the prices will surely fall for the 1D and the 10D (amoung others), just how the market goes, so in, when you think about it, it's actually more expensive for something that isn't THAT much better from the 1D.

Also, the D1x is pretty expensive too... What, close to $4000, maybe more... More than half of the 1Ds which is about the resolution difference is (therefore, the 1Ds is properly priced).
Oh, the D100 is more expensive than the 10D... Hmm.

Anyways, just adding my thoughts,
God bless,
Matt
don said:
Charles Nguyen said:
avi said:
I suppose Nikon is the leader in Digital serious photography after
all , this is startign to approach science fiction , just have a
look 2 years back and see the advances ...

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squash said:
You naively suggest that, on the release date of the 1D, Nikon's
R&D had made none of the breakthroughs embedded in the D2h. Nikon
wasn't standing still before then, nor has it been afterwards.
Canon doesn't have a "two year lead time" on R&D by any stretch of
the imagination. And, indeed, there is no reason to believe that
Canon has a revolutionary breakthrough in hand, the way Nikon does
with the LBCAST.

Nikon's claims regarding the relative noise of the two systems can
be taken at their word, or not. I chose to, and if they are indeed
correct, Canon R&D is going to have to get off their butts.
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Dude, you have to be kidding yourself.

On one hand you say that Nikon, has not been standing still, but then you go on to say that Canon has no "revolutionary breakthroughs in hand" or "Canon R&D has to get off their butts"?????

Canon is the 2nd largest patent holder on the planet (behind only IBM), they spend a TON of cash on R&D, and as a whole, Canon, is 7x larger than Nikon (24.5 Billion vs 3.6 Billion) (sales FY 2002). They reportedly have a 80% share of the DSLR market, I guarantee they didn't get this by "sitting around on their butts" waiting for the competition.

I like the D2h (esp the 200-400. Drool), and some of the innovations it brings to the table. I think Nikon has a winner on their hands.

You counting Canon is down based on this one camera, is like Apple declaring that "Wintel" is dead because of the G5. Unrealistic.

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I agree with you 100% (maybe more, hehe). I especially like what you say last about the other manufacturers that could participate in the lower-end DSLR market... I mean, if you think about it, people around the world have a hundred different kinds of cameras... I have friends that have Minoltas, et al, who would love to go to digital but current prices on DSLRs are keeping them (even with a $1500 price tag for the 10D, and even around $800 for the D30, which for these kids would be more than enough of an SLR, despite its flaws and inferiorities compared to the 10D)... The move is harder especially if they have a camera like a Minolta because then they have to change their glass too! The price just goes from $1000 (just a PFA number), to $1500 or maybe less if they go for the really cheapo lenses (which we of course hope they don't!).

Anyways, just had to agree with you, hehe... Man, I can make anything into a huge expose... I don't know whether to be proud or ashamed, lol.

God bless,
Matt
harry said:
I am basically sick of people comparing D2h to 1Ds, which are aimed
at different purposes. There's no reason why Nikon could not
eventually come out with a full frame similar to 1Ds. It might be
just pride, or just to stay competitive. I would be interested to
see if there's such data available about the market shares of 1Ds,
1D, 10D (for different purposes) to shed some light about what is
really the money maker, and what is really just serving as a
flagship such as 1D (for speed) and 1Ds (for Rez).

Finally, let's not forget about the Fuji, Oly (4/3), Pentax 1st,
rumored Minolta Dslr. Granted, this gang does not have the clout
as Nikon and Canon, but they collectively would definitely create a
stir in the $1,000 - $2,000 range Dslr market.

Harry
avi said:
I suppose Nikon is the leader in Digital serious photography after
all , this is startign to approach science fiction , just have a
look 2 years back and see the advances ...

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To tell you the truth, I don't know for sure, but because the model is "discontinued", I would imagine they do not produce the camera any more. However, you might even be referring to the number produced before they cut it off. Sorry, can't help you there.

God bless,
Matt
digital_ray_of_light said:
harry said:
The rivalry between Canon and Nikon would benefit the consumers no
matter how you cut it. With a list price of US$3,500, D2h will
force 1D to drop its price to stay competitive. The 2-year lag of
Nikon behind Canon will be forgiven in the longer term if both
companies will provide competitive products in every category.

I am basically sick of people comparing D2h to 1Ds, which are aimed
at different purposes. There's no reason why Nikon could not
eventually come out with a full frame similar to 1Ds. It might be
just pride, or just to stay competitive. I would be interested to
see if there's such data available about the market shares of 1Ds,
1D, 10D (for different purposes) to shed some light about what is
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A Japanese website of a major newspaper said that Canon is making
30k 10D per month and can't keep up with demand. I think 2k 1Ds
per month was netioned was also mentioned but no 1D numbers. It was
discussed in the forums, but I don't remember which specific
threads. If someone else does, please point them out.
digital_ray_of_light said:
really the money maker, and what is really just serving as a
flagship such as 1D (for speed) and 1Ds (for Rez).

Finally, let's not forget about the Fuji, Oly (4/3), Pentax 1st,
rumored Minolta Dslr. Granted, this gang does not have the clout
as Nikon and Canon, but they collectively would definitely create a
stir in the $1,000 - $2,000 range Dslr market.

Harry
avi said:
I suppose Nikon is the leader in Digital serious photography after
all , this is startign to approach science fiction , just have a
look 2 years back and see the advances ...

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Theodore80476 said:
You counting Canon is down based on this one camera, is like Apple
declaring that "Wintel" is dead because of the G5. Unrealistic.
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But us Apple fans (recent convert, woo) really wish it would ;-)

The G5 is mega cool, can't wait for a G5 PowerBook (or maybe even a G4 or G5 iBook to uprage mine)....

God bless ;-)
Matt

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squash said:
You naively suggest that, on the release date of the 1D, Nikon's
R&D had made none of the breakthroughs embedded in the D2h. Nikon
wasn't standing still before then, nor has it been afterwards.
Canon doesn't have a "two year lead time" on R&D by any stretch of
the imagination. And, indeed, there is no reason to believe that
Canon has a revolutionary breakthrough in hand, the way Nikon does
with the LBCAST.
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The "revolution" as you put it is marketing hype at the moment. I have no reason to believe at this point that Nikon has any breakthrous at all. They will have to prove it to me. If this "revolution" comes to pass, Nikon will have succeded in producing a camera that can shoot more frames in a row with lower noise and is otherwise a comprably speced to a two year old camera. This is why I mentioned Canon's head start. I have a hard time believing that the d2H will produce substansively different results at normal isos...
squash said:
Nikon's claims regarding the relative noise of the two systems can
be taken at their word, or not. I chose to, and if they are indeed
correct, Canon R&D is going to have to get off their butts.
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Why? If they make the buffer larger and tweak the noise reduction, the 1D would be awfully difficult to tell apart from the D2H. You can believe Nikon if you want, but I think you'd be silly to think that Canon haven't thought about how to improve the 1D in the last 2 years. Canon hasn't had any incentive to release a new camera until now.

When the 1D came out, I predicted that Nikon would not be able to compete R&D-wise with Canon and would exist as a name brand only within 10 years. I'll admit that that was premature, Nikon will be around for quite a while, but they definately don't seem to be pushing Canon as much as they had been in years past. They are lagging in production of VR lenses, they don't have an answer to the 1Ds, and it took them almost two years to answer the 1D. I'll say this, when they do bring an SLR out, it's usually pretty good, same with the lenses. They do not however show any signs of overtaking anyone at this point. If Canon does come out with something soon that is better than the D2H, especially at an attractive price, Nikon will be in real trouble. Luckily, we have nothing but speculation on both sides of this discussion, time will tell...

Isaac
squash said:
Isaac Crawford said:
squash said:
Unless Canon has a new sensor technology, Canon will not leapfrog
Nikon's D2H with their 1D follow-on.

Even if they've been able to move CMOS to 1D speeds (a dubious
proposition), it is still a higher noise technology than LBCAST,
even after Canon's noise suppression system.
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Umm, do you have any samples to show us? Nikon claims that there is
lower noise, but what else are they going to say? Right now all we
have from Nikon is marketing, we'll see if there is really a big
difference or not.
squash said:
It looks like Nikon will probably take the lead for the next couple
of camera generations.
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I find it hard to believe that Canon has been sitting on their
butts not doing anything in the two years that the 1D has been out.
I fully anticipate that they have the advantage, while Nikon was
catching up, Canon has been able to do as much R&D as they could on
the next generation. It has taken Nikon two years to come up with a
camera that is a little better than their compitition, I bet Canon
has more up their sleeves but has just been waiting for Nikon to
show its hand. I bet that as soon as we hear official pricing on
the D2H, we'll hear about the new Canon:-)

Isaac.
squash said:
Jón Ragnarsson said:
No big deal.
Soon (next 6 months) we will probably see Canon 3D (or whatever it
will be called) Nikon D2X and replacement for the D100, so the
leapfrogging goes on.
In the meanwhile, smaller manufacturers are not sitting still.
Pentax *ist and Olympus E-1 will be out soon, Olympus has cheaper
version of the E-camera on the drawing board. And Fuji is probably
designing a successor to the S2 as we speak.
The DSLR revolution seems to be finally taking off, even though we
are not seeing much drop in prices or increase in resolution.
J.
avi said:
I suppose Nikon is the leader in Digital serious photography after
all , this is startign to approach science fiction , just have a
look 2 years back and see the advances ...

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Isaac Crawford said:
The "revolution" as you put it is marketing hype at the moment. I
have no reason to believe at this point that Nikon has any
breakthrous at all.
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It's going to be so much fun watching people like you twist in the wind. It's nice to know that moment is just around the corner.
Isaac Crawford said:
I have a hard time believing that
the d2H will produce substansively different results at normal
isos...
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Prepare yourself for a very rude awakening from your slumber.
 
Mike Roedel said:
I'd hardly call Nikon the new leader based upon the D2H. Yeah it's
exciting but new leader...?

I own a D100 so naturally I'm labeled the "Nikon guy" amongst my
buds. (I really don't care, it's a camera, not a religion. But
that's another topic...)

Seems to me ('er us) that the 1D has the following shortcomings
relative to the D2H:
  • No orientation sensor
  • No LiIon battery
  • No Selectable NTSC/PAL video output
  • Much smaller LCD
  • Mirror blackout 87ms (Vs. 80ms for D2H) [insignificant difference]
  • Shutter lag 57ms (Vs. 37ms for D2H) [Significant!]
  • 21 frame buffer (Vs. 40 for D2H)
  • No ISO 6400 equivalent
  • No USB 2.0 [personal preference]
  • Vertical "Centerline"
  • High ISO banding (horizontal)
  • No magnify in playback
  • 3.5 lbs w/battery (Vs. 2.7 lbs for D2H)
  • Oh yeah, that wireless deal (that's just cool!, practicality
remains to be proven)
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Perhaps these "shortcomings" have been adrressed in no less than 2 years?
It seems that technology is going not so quick at Nikon as I would expect...

Canon and Nikon will pass each other in small jumps, but I think in average Canon is clearly ahead of Nikon.
Mike Roedel said:
Will the "sure to be announced" 2D fix these while leapfrogging
Nikon with new "Stuff"? I'm sure it will, but 'til then...
Peter Phan said:
Notice the "new" features of the D2H, which are actually "old"
features of the 1D:

4mp
8fps
magnesium alloy body
weather sealing
high-speed flash sync
true mirror lock up
white balance sensor
RAW+JPEG
11 point autofocus array (1D is customizable for 9, 11, or 45 points)

The D2H appears to be an excellent sports camera, but then so is
the Canon 1D. Also keep in mind that the D2H has only half the
max flash sync speed, half the max shutter speed, and half the max
high speed sync speed of the 1D. And the 1D has firewire versus
the D2H's USB 2.

That being said, I'd sure love for Canon to come out with a good
super ultra-wide lens or zoom.
avi said:
I suppose Nikon is the leader in Digital serious photography after
all , this is startign to approach science fiction , just have a
look 2 years back and see the advances ...

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... with typical BS. Have you used a D2h? I've used most of the Canon DSLRs extensively ... I'll bet you haven't!
Ken (my real name)
squash said:
Isaac Crawford said:
The "revolution" as you put it is marketing hype at the moment. I
have no reason to believe at this point that Nikon has any
breakthrous at all.
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It's going to be so much fun watching people like you twist in the
wind. It's nice to know that moment is just around the corner.
squash said:
I have a hard time believing that
the d2H will produce substansively different results at normal
isos...
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Prepare yourself for a very rude awakening from your slumber.
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More twisting in the wind.

With the very poor sales of Canon's flagship D1s leaving the company's executives ashen, and the emergence of Nikon's LBCAST sensor about to revolutionize noise, speed and dynamic range, the tide is turning.

With all the anti-Nikon garbage touted by the Canonites for over a year, it will be a very difficult comeuppance for them and--admittedly, fun to watch.
Ken Phillips said:
... with typical BS. Have you used a D2h? I've used most of the
Canon DSLRs extensively ... I'll bet you haven't!
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I twist not ... for you see, I'm on my second 'inferior' EOS-1D. This one is barely broken in with 11K frames. How many frames on your D2h? It's not perfect, but it's the ONLY game in town.

(And perhaps I should assign incorrect nomenclature to Nikon's cameras ... because the Canon is an EOS-1Ds.)

You still haven't used a D2h, there are ZERO of them at Cincinnati Reds games (behind zero 600mm VR lenses), but there are lots of Canon digitals with big white lenses. That will not change overnight. And you believe that Canon will lay down and die when their two year old sports camera is obsoleted - based soley on Nikon's marketing propaganda about a camera that Nikon won't let anyone release samples from? The 1D is still viable, D2h or not. And its replacement ... well, we'll see. (Perhaps I know something you don't!)

Much of the frustration with Nikon was coming from Nikon users ... and it will start again, as they STILL have no full-frame/10+MP/long exposure/low noise pro solution. (Nobody does, except Canon.)

I am pro Canon simply because they have the better system, better prices, and better strategy. Some competition from Nikon will only help, so I welcome it.
KP
squash said:
With all the anti-Nikon garbage touted by the Canonites for over a
year, it will be a very difficult comeuppance for them
and--admittedly, fun to watch.
Ken Phillips said:
... with typical BS. Have you used a D2h? I've used most of the
Canon DSLRs extensively ... I'll bet you haven't!
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squash said:
More twisting in the wind.
With the very poor sales of Canon's flagship D1s leaving the
company's executives ashen, and the emergence of Nikon's LBCAST
sensor about to revolutionize noise, speed and dynamic range, the
tide is turning.
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You sound like your spreading the gospel of Nikon. Either that, or you work in their PR department. Wait and see if they have actually done anything before pronouncing the revolution here. Canon is supposedly selling 2000 1Ds cameras a month, and there are reported waiting lists in Europe at least. Not keeping up with demand is not usally seen as a failure...
squash said:
With all the anti-Nikon garbage touted by the Canonites for over a
year, it will be a very difficult comeuppance for them
and--admittedly, fun to watch.
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Actually, I don't own a digital camera, and the only Canon camera I own is almost 50 years old. I have no vested intrest in either company, unlike yourself. You sound like someone despretly hoping that you made the right choice. I think that Nikon makes excellent products, but the topic of this forum is that nikon is a leader. I don't see how anyone can objectivly claim that right now. Maybe, just maybe if this new sensor is a dramatic improvement AND Canon has nothing to offer as way of an upgrade over the 1D, then maybe Nikon could be said to have taken the lead in high speed cameras. I find both things unlikely. That still doesn't address the 1Ds, or VR lenses.

I also notice you didn't address any of my earlier points. In addition, you can't defend your position that Canon has nothing coming up despite all common sense telling us that they've been working just as hard as Nikon on R&D. When one speaks of "comeuppance" its a sure sign that you're taking this stuff way to seriously, it's just a camera. If you feel belittled or humiliated because someone disparages the brand of camera you use, its time to go take pictures and leave the forums for a while...

Isaac
squash said:
Ken Phillips said:
... with typical BS. Have you used a D2h? I've used most of the
Canon DSLRs extensively ... I'll bet you haven't!
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Matt Todd said:
Matt Todd said:
You counting Canon is down based on this one camera, is like Apple
declaring that "Wintel" is dead because of the G5. Unrealistic.
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But us Apple fans (recent convert, woo) really wish it would ;-)
The G5 is mega cool, can't wait for a G5 PowerBook (or maybe even a
G4 or G5 iBook to uprage mine)....

God bless ;-)
Matt

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-Photography is my way of worshipping my Saviour, Jesus Christ
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No offence, Matt, but I don't think this forum is the right place for your evangelising -- and I'm not referring to Apple!
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Mustafa
 
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