E-1 vs 10D

Just taking 1 portion from your reply, this one:
Flash: Canon has built-in, E-1 No
Ad - Canon
No big deal
I've seen many posts around here argumenting that a build-in flash is of hardly any importance in a -semi- pro dslr. However, having such a thingy at your disposal, for instance for firing off a gentle fill-in flash, and without being bothered by it at times you dont need it, has IMO indeed quite some advantage. Pitty Oly doesnt have it.

Also, do you know why -afaik- no dslr has life LCD monitoring or life output at their video connector? The argument will probably be that splitting the incoming beam will distract precious light from the sensor, but I recon it's technically possible to overcome that. In my practice this would be a nice feature, specially in studio while composing a shot.
 
Also, do you know why -afaik- no dslr has life LCD monitoring or
life output at their video connector? The argument will probably be
that splitting the incoming beam will distract precious light from
the sensor, but I recon it's technically possible to overcome that.
In my practice this would be a nice feature, specially in studio
while composing a shot.
??? You compose while looking through the viewfinder, not by chimping:-) So to answer your question the reason is that you want a bright viewfinder and there is already light being split away from the rest of the system to be used for metering and AF. There are also battery concerns. But the biggest is that they give you nice bright TTL viewfinder making live preview redundant.

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Yeah, about as redundant as a spare tire in a car. I COULD be usefull in some circumstances you know, at least for some of us.
You compose while looking through the viewfinder
No kidding, you'll have to as there is no alternative. And BTW are you gonna tell me how I should compose?
already light being split away
from the rest of the system to be used for metering and AF
Yeah, still all dslr manufacturers offer metering and AF, so thats hardly a valid argument now is it?
There
are also battery concerns.
Again, same goes for metering and AF, still they offer it (of course). Let me inform you a little, an "option" means you can actually turn it off...

And BTW,. why the ??? A bit defensive are we?
Also, do you know why -afaik- no dslr has life LCD monitoring or
life output at their video connector? The argument will probably be
that splitting the incoming beam will distract precious light from
the sensor, but I recon it's technically possible to overcome that.
In my practice this would be a nice feature, specially in studio
while composing a shot.
??? You compose while looking through the viewfinder, not by
chimping:-) So to answer your question the reason is that you want
a bright viewfinder and there is already light being split away
from the rest of the system to be used for metering and AF. There
are also battery concerns. But the biggest is that they give you
nice bright TTL viewfinder making live preview redundant.

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Yeah, about as redundant as a spare tire in a car. I COULD be
usefull in some circumstances you know, at least for some of us.
That is why you keep a P&S available. For those times. And yes I think that you could be useful from time to time ;-)
You compose while looking through the viewfinder
No kidding, you'll have to as there is no alternative. And BTW are
you gonna tell me how I should compose?
With a SLR, yes you compose through the viewfinder. That is how they work. That is, in part, what makes them an SLR. They are a TTL system to the viewfinder unlike most P&S that have worthless viewfinders but nice live preview.
already light being split away
from the rest of the system to be used for metering and AF
Yeah, still all dslr manufacturers offer metering and AF, so thats
hardly a valid argument now is it?
But all that metering stuff is behind the mirror. Now you are going to split away MORE light. I want as bright a viewfinder as possible. That is why I use an SLR and not a P&S.

There are other options. Remove the mirror altogether and use an EVF. I don't like them but they have some advantages (like superimposed histograms)

Have the mirror by 50 reflective and it never moves. You get a darker viewfinder and less light hitting the sensor. All AF/metering is done by the actual sensor. Of course you will only get 100 shots/charge. This would be very quiet and have very little vibration.

Have the mirror by 50 reflective and it moves when the camera fires. You get a darker viewfinder and you get mirror slap. But we are used to mirror slap. All AF/metering is done by the actual sensor. Of course you will only get 100 shots/charge.
There
are also battery concerns.
Again, same goes for metering and AF, still they offer it (of
course). Let me inform you a little, an "option" means you can
actually turn it off...

And BTW,. why the ??? A bit defensive are we?
No, it was because I was puzzled. Many people ask why a DSLR does not have a live preview. They are used to framing while looking at the LCD and never have considered looking though the viewfinder. But that is the point of a TTL system. If you don't like using a viewfinder, a SLR is not the best option.

What amazes me is that no one has built a range-finder type digital camera with interchangeable lenses. Not attachments. True replaceable lenses. Be small, light, high quality....

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... 1 x 256Mb and 1 x 64Mb SmartMedia for backup. When I get short I'll up the 256Mb to 512Mb then 1Mb. They stay in all the time.

Jim
... and presumably the E-1 all look like hard drives when connected
via USB directly to a computer and don't require special software
so that argument doesn't wash. I have never understood the logic
which says unplug (and replug) a CF card with all the socket pins
begging to be bent or broken when you can just cable up to the USB
(and on an E-1 the firewire) socket.
So you only own one CF card and leave it in the camera at all times.
 
You can debate the quality superiority of the E-1 and the 10-D,but by the time the E-1 out on the market,Sony most likely to release thier new 8 mega camera this fall. It's about the same timing as Sony released thier first 5 mega cam F-707. They introduced their new 5 mega CCD at this time of the year(or sooner) and they brought the F-707 in the fall.

I don't know if this new cam comes with in a form of DSRL or a fixed lens camera,but one thing I can tell for sure is that Sony's F-707/717 narrowed the gap between prosumer cameras and DSLRs in terms of image quality.

I don't own a Sony camera,but I'm amazed at the pace of their quality development.Traditional camera makers such as Canon,Nikon,Olympus,Fuji and Minolta have NOT made a significant quality development for under $2000 camera. If you can despose $5000 or more for a camera,then the camera got to be good and almost flawless,but how many of us can afford it or need it?

If the price of Sony's new 8 mega cam is set way lower than the 10-D,and if it produces the image quality that no sub$2000 DSLRs can match,and I wouldn't be surprised if it did,Sony would not only knock your socks off,but they would knock their competetions off.

We're looking at a very exciting fall. And we may see a history maker!

For technology stuff,if you live long,you only see better things.:)

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You can debate the quality superiority of the E-1 and the 10-D,but
by the time the E-1 out on the market,Sony most likely to release
thier new 8 mega camera this fall. It's about the same timing as
Sony released thier first 5 mega cam F-707. They introduced their
new 5 mega CCD at this time of the year(or sooner) and they brought
the F-707 in the fall.

I don't know if this new cam comes with in a form of DSRL or a
fixed lens camera,but one thing I can tell for sure is that Sony's
F-707/717 narrowed the gap between prosumer cameras and DSLRs in
terms of image quality.
I don't own a Sony camera,but I'm amazed at the pace of their
quality development.Traditional camera makers such as
Canon,Nikon,Olympus,Fuji and Minolta have NOT made a significant
quality development for under $2000 camera. If you can despose
$5000 or more for a camera,then the camera got to be good and
almost flawless,but how many of us can afford it or need it?

If the price of Sony's new 8 mega cam is set way lower than the
10-D,and if it produces the image quality that no sub$2000 DSLRs
can match,and I wouldn't be surprised if it did,Sony would not only
knock your socks off,but they would knock their competetions off.

We're looking at a very exciting fall. And we may see a history maker!

For technology stuff,if you live long,you only see better things.:)

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Yes, Sony is a very good thing for digital photography. It keeps the traditional SLR companies honest.
 
While the 707 and 717 are very capable cameras and produce nice images they do have one issue that they are FAR FAR FAR behind in the quality department. And that is noise. This is where the DSLR really shine. It is not the higher MP count as much as the much lower noise levels.

So wile the new 8MP sony sensor might have more detail than a 6MP D100 or 10D, it will (if the 707/717 can be used to judge) also have substantially higher noise (read as grain) in the final output.

Also, being a smaller sensor, it is harder to get shallow DOF. This is good sometimes, bad other times.

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Yeah, about as redundant as a spare tire in a car. I COULD be
usefull in some circumstances you know, at least for some of us.
That is why you keep a P&S available. For those times. And yes I
think that you could be useful from time to time ;-)
Sh1t! Gnah, that was one funny typo..:-}
With a SLR, yes you compose through the viewfinder. That is how
they work. That is, in part, what makes them an SLR. They are a
TTL system to the viewfinder unlike most P&S that have worthless
viewfinders but nice live preview.
So far yes. But who can tell what time will bring us. A few years ago someone could have said: yes you must a put a roll of film in it. That is, in part, what makes them camera's...
But all that metering stuff is behind the mirror. Now you are
going to split away MORE light.
Sure. Stiil, I think that if manufacturers had the feeling their customers demanded life LCD preview they could make it work without wasting that much light. See it this way, from the moment you take off the lense cap there's an awfull lot of light going into a lense that's hardly used. why not utilize it for life preview? But I admit thats my layman's way of wishfull thinking.
I want as bright a viewfinder as
possible. That is why I use an SLR and not a P&S.
Now you're talking. For myself I'm more into TTL because of the actually usable manual focus. Further I like slr because of manual zoom, faster shutter delay and of course interchangeable lenses.
What amazes me is that no one has built a range-finder type digital
camera with interchangeable lenses. Not attachments. True
replaceable lenses. Be small, light, high quality....
Very much agreed. Well, maybe Leica's gonna surprise us one day...
 
Olilvy, you have shown your true colors and have presented yourself as a clueless idiot and moron! You are a waste of bandwith; period. I suggest you now begin with some basic photography and or art courses and seriously think about what you want to be when you grow up!
1) Lenses - OK, Ad - Canon.
agreed, oly lenses are nice light and fast but lens selection right
now still belongs to eos system
2) Body - When I look at the picture of the 10D vs the E-1 on this
site, I come away with the feeling that the 10D is going to look
and feel like a Rebel. It just looks cheap. Whereas the E-1 just
plain looks good. Looks well-built. And from all reviews I've read
the build quality is top notch. And it has all those splash proof
seals. Gotta love that. Ad - Oly
Agreed, reading the reviews it's apparent the Oly body is built
like the higher end pro cameras but I vehemently disagree with your
rebel analogy, the 10d is a very well made camera.
3) Price - everybody has been talking about how pricey the E-1 is.
MSRP right now is $2199. But what was the MSRP of the 10D when it
was introduced? Answer - $1999. Difference of $200. Street price
of the Canon is now about $1599? I wonder what the street price of
the E-1 will be around or after Xmas this year? Ad - Canon,
assuming the 10D is an equal camera.
Disagree, the canon is now $1400 in some areas, the 3d is coming
out and the price of the 10d will drop even further, you also have
to remember even if the demand for the e1 is high if Olympus can't
keep w production then price will remain high plus Olympus is
pretty harsh when it comes to pricing, if you want to add a battery
grip, that's $500, another $500 for the top of the line flash,
that's close to $3000 for a camera system with only four available
lenses at launch. I've so far seen two images from the e1, not bad
but nothing mind blowing either, good noise control though but lets
see how it does at the higher isos.
4) Sensor - Interline CMOS at 6.3 MP vs Frame-Transfer CCD at 5.1
MP. Sounds like adv Canon at first thought. But - how much of the
Canon sensor is actually 'wasted' due to 'typical' cropping of a
35mm sized slide or neg?
Your forgetting that people also these for printing, design and
publication, not all image files are destined for the 8x10 format,
it's better to start with a larger file always for more flexibility.
And what about losses to vignetting or
edge loss-of-sharpness due to lenses designed to work with 35mm
film?
Only the sharpest central portion of the lens is used, this point
is moot.
I won't do any calculations here, but I'd say the effective
pixel count is about even.
No, that's stretching it, 18mb vs 14mb is still significant, and if
you shoot raw it's even bigger, does Olympus have a raw format?
Tiffs take too long to write and take up too much space.
But, according to the specs published
by Oly and Kodak, this sensor chip has other advantages over the
IL-CMOS in the Canon. EG: better dynamic range, less noice, much
faster transfer rate etc. I'm giving an Ad - Oly here based on
specs.
These arent specs, these are marketing claims, I don't think you
can make a verdict at this point because the claims haven't been
verified by third parties. For all you know Olympus is making these
claims against their old exx series which had the same designed for
digital lens.
5)' Features'
Oly has a dust-cleaning mechanism. Canon No. Ad
  • Oly
Agreed, but no one knows if it works yet though.
Auto-focus. Canon 7-area, Oly 3. Based on rep alone Ad -
Canon
agreed
Files: Oly can do TIFF, Canon No.
10d has auto=rotate, Oly no.
Ad - Oly
Frame rate. Both 3fps, but Oly 12 continuous at any size Ad- Oly
agreed
Metering. Similar, xcept E-1 has 1.8 spot.
Ad - Oly
Hmmm...agreed
Flash: Canon has built-in, E-1 No
Ad - Canon
No big deal
Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly
So does Canon, it's a tie and for a pro camera the sync speed is
fairly slow
Shutter: 30-1/4000 for Can, 60-1/4000 for Oly Ad
  • Oly
Huh? How? Isn't a 60 second exposure better than 30>
6) Other stuff:
Olympus has better viewfinder and interchangeable screens.
Ad-oly
Canon's LCD allow 10x zoom on playback to E-1s 4x but E-1 has more
playback modes and more pixels.
Based on preference, to some the 10x zoom is more important than
playback modes.
call it a tie or cancel it.
E-1 has 128MByte buffer built. No spec for the Canon
Ad Oly
Oly supports usb 2.0, Canon 1.1 Oly also supports Firewire.
moot for many people, they use card readers
E-1 has more drive modes and a wireless remote.
Canon 10d has ai servo.ai focus tracking, more and cheaper
accessories,
E-1 is smaller and lighter (660 gr vs 790gr) and with lenses this
advantage will be more pronounced in Olympus' favor.
Some prefer heavier cameras for stability, pure preference
There's lots more but I gotta stop here.

Conclusion, IMHO, the E-1 is more of a professional camera than the
10D.
That's based on body specs and features alone, image quality does
not blow the 10d away.
 
The next photographer that posts a remark in this thread I'm going to b* h slap with my stupid stick.
1) Lenses - OK, Ad - Canon.
agreed, oly lenses are nice light and fast but lens selection right
now still belongs to eos system
2) Body - When I look at the picture of the 10D vs the E-1 on this
site, I come away with the feeling that the 10D is going to look
and feel like a Rebel. It just looks cheap. Whereas the E-1 just
plain looks good. Looks well-built. And from all reviews I've read
the build quality is top notch. And it has all those splash proof
seals. Gotta love that. Ad - Oly
Agreed, reading the reviews it's apparent the Oly body is built
like the higher end pro cameras but I vehemently disagree with your
rebel analogy, the 10d is a very well made camera.
3) Price - everybody has been talking about how pricey the E-1 is.
MSRP right now is $2199. But what was the MSRP of the 10D when it
was introduced? Answer - $1999. Difference of $200. Street price
of the Canon is now about $1599? I wonder what the street price of
the E-1 will be around or after Xmas this year? Ad - Canon,
assuming the 10D is an equal camera.
Disagree, the canon is now $1400 in some areas, the 3d is coming
out and the price of the 10d will drop even further, you also have
to remember even if the demand for the e1 is high if Olympus can't
keep w production then price will remain high plus Olympus is
pretty harsh when it comes to pricing, if you want to add a battery
grip, that's $500, another $500 for the top of the line flash,
that's close to $3000 for a camera system with only four available
lenses at launch. I've so far seen two images from the e1, not bad
but nothing mind blowing either, good noise control though but lets
see how it does at the higher isos.
4) Sensor - Interline CMOS at 6.3 MP vs Frame-Transfer CCD at 5.1
MP. Sounds like adv Canon at first thought. But - how much of the
Canon sensor is actually 'wasted' due to 'typical' cropping of a
35mm sized slide or neg?
Your forgetting that people also these for printing, design and
publication, not all image files are destined for the 8x10 format,
it's better to start with a larger file always for more flexibility.
And what about losses to vignetting or
edge loss-of-sharpness due to lenses designed to work with 35mm
film?
Only the sharpest central portion of the lens is used, this point
is moot.
I won't do any calculations here, but I'd say the effective
pixel count is about even.
No, that's stretching it, 18mb vs 14mb is still significant, and if
you shoot raw it's even bigger, does Olympus have a raw format?
Tiffs take too long to write and take up too much space.
But, according to the specs published
by Oly and Kodak, this sensor chip has other advantages over the
IL-CMOS in the Canon. EG: better dynamic range, less noice, much
faster transfer rate etc. I'm giving an Ad - Oly here based on
specs.
These arent specs, these are marketing claims, I don't think you
can make a verdict at this point because the claims haven't been
verified by third parties. For all you know Olympus is making these
claims against their old exx series which had the same designed for
digital lens.
5)' Features'
Oly has a dust-cleaning mechanism. Canon No. Ad
  • Oly
Agreed, but no one knows if it works yet though.
Auto-focus. Canon 7-area, Oly 3. Based on rep alone Ad -
Canon
agreed
Files: Oly can do TIFF, Canon No.
10d has auto=rotate, Oly no.
Ad - Oly
Frame rate. Both 3fps, but Oly 12 continuous at any size Ad- Oly
agreed
Metering. Similar, xcept E-1 has 1.8 spot.
Ad - Oly
Hmmm...agreed
Flash: Canon has built-in, E-1 No
Ad - Canon
No big deal
Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly
So does Canon, it's a tie and for a pro camera the sync speed is
fairly slow
Shutter: 30-1/4000 for Can, 60-1/4000 for Oly Ad
  • Oly
Huh? How? Isn't a 60 second exposure better than 30>
6) Other stuff:
Olympus has better viewfinder and interchangeable screens.
Ad-oly
Canon's LCD allow 10x zoom on playback to E-1s 4x but E-1 has more
playback modes and more pixels.
Based on preference, to some the 10x zoom is more important than
playback modes.
call it a tie or cancel it.
E-1 has 128MByte buffer built. No spec for the Canon
Ad Oly
Oly supports usb 2.0, Canon 1.1 Oly also supports Firewire.
moot for many people, they use card readers
E-1 has more drive modes and a wireless remote.
Canon 10d has ai servo.ai focus tracking, more and cheaper
accessories,
E-1 is smaller and lighter (660 gr vs 790gr) and with lenses this
advantage will be more pronounced in Olympus' favor.
Some prefer heavier cameras for stability, pure preference
There's lots more but I gotta stop here.

Conclusion, IMHO, the E-1 is more of a professional camera than the
10D.
That's based on body specs and features alone, image quality does
not blow the 10d away.
 
Heheh kinda touchy aren't we? I'm just giving my opinion same as everyone on this forum, I haven't lambasted the e1, just pointed out some potential weaknesses, if you can't stand the criticism there's no need to be personal and get your panties in a knot : ) and what does taking up art classes or basic photography have to do with discussing the e1? You sound pretty desperate because I noticed you attacked me and not the points i made in my post.
Olilvy, you have shown your true colors and have presented
yourself as a clueless idiot and moron! You are a waste of
bandwith; period. I suggest you now begin with some basic
photography and or art courses and seriously think about what you
want to be when you grow up!
 
Great thread. Simply astounding. Intellectually stimulating, thought provoking and entertaining.



By the way Ogilvy, you get the stick! SMACK
Olilvy, you have shown your true colors and have presented
yourself as a clueless idiot and moron! You are a waste of
bandwith; period. I suggest you now begin with some basic
photography and or art courses and seriously think about what you
want to be when you grow up!
 
Heheh, ok I'll shut up for now, wish we had someone like you in the Canon forum.


By the way Ogilvy, you get the stick! SMACK
Olilvy, you have shown your true colors and have presented
yourself as a clueless idiot and moron! You are a waste of
bandwith; period. I suggest you now begin with some basic
photography and or art courses and seriously think about what you
want to be when you grow up!
 
OK, let's get ready to r u m b l e!

Well, not really. But as someone who is seriously considering going
(partially) digital I've been looking first at a comparison of the
specs etc of these two cameras. I'm going to try to sum up how I
think they stack up. I do want to preface by saying I've been an
OM user for over 30 years. So that could mean I'm biased toward
Oly, or it could mean I'm p_ ed off at em for leaving us
Zuiko-nuts out in the cold digitally.

1) Lenses - OK, let's get it over with - the Canon has hundreds or
so of mountable lenses for the 10D. The E-1 has 5 + a 1.4x and an
extension tube. Big advantage Canon, right? Especially if you
already own Canon lenses. Especially since they have 'IS' lenses?
But, if you're shopping for a 'system' the advantage lessens
dramatically. Because the Zuiko Digital lenses, according to specs,
are just plain going to give better performance than the existing
stock of film lenses. Because: they're designed to work with the
sensor; they are 'smart' ie have built-in distortion-correction
information to be used by the body or a PC; the MTF charts
published look quite good; they're Zuikos. Big advantage to Oly for
real wide-angle digital lenses. Overall though, I'd be strung-up
if I didn't say Ad - Canon.
Speculation if Oly is better
2) Body - When I look at the picture of the 10D vs the E-1 on this
site, I come away with the feeling that the 10D is going to look
and feel like a Rebel. It just looks cheap. Whereas the E-1 just
plain looks good. Looks well-built. And from all reviews I've read
the build quality is top notch. And it has all those splash proof
seals. Gotta love that. Ad - Oly
Definitely true cos E1 is built for the pros
3) Price - everybody has been talking about how pricey the E-1 is.
MSRP right now is $2199. But what was the MSRP of the 10D when it
was introduced? Answer - $1999. Difference of $200. Street price
of the Canon is now about $1599? I wonder what the street price of
the E-1 will be around or after Xmas this year? Ad - Canon,
assuming the 10D is an equal camera.
True again. As Canon has already earned a lot from DSLR, the cost of production is much much reduced.
4) Sensor - Interline CMOS at 6.3 MP vs Frame-Transfer CCD at 5.1
MP. Sounds like adv Canon at first thought. But - how much of the
Canon sensor is actually 'wasted' due to 'typical' cropping of a
35mm sized slide or neg? And what about losses to vignetting or
edge loss-of-sharpness due to lenses designed to work with 35mm
film? I won't do any calculations here, but I'd say the effective
pixel count is about even. But, according to the specs published
by Oly and Kodak, this sensor chip has other advantages over the
IL-CMOS in the Canon. EG: better dynamic range, less noice, much
faster transfer rate etc. I'm giving an Ad - Oly here based on
specs.
This is very arguable. Let's wait for the direct comarison of image quality.
5)' Features'
Oly has a dust-cleaning mechanism. Canon No. Ad
  • Oly
Oly has this unique feature which is simply too important to all DSLR. My poor S1 Pro sits quietly along with the merely used F5 because of CCD's dusts seem never been cleaned up completely.
Auto-focus. Canon 7-area, Oly 3. Based on rep alone Ad -
Canon
Oly has a long way to catch up the AF technology which Canon has leading the whole industry for years.
Files: Oly can do TIFF, Canon No.
Ad - Oly
Only RAW file formats matters a real Pro
Frame rate. Both 3fps, but Oly 12 continuous at any size Ad- Oly
As I said, Oly E1 aims at the pro market.
Metering. Similar, xcept E-1 has 1.8 spot.
Ad - Oly
Not so important if you have meter
Flash: Canon has built-in, E-1 No
Ad - Canon
We have to see the whole flash system
Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly
?
Shutter: 30-1/4000 for Can, 60-1/4000 for Oly Ad
  • Oly
You must be kidding. What is the difference between 30" and 60" for a long exposure?
6) Other stuff:
Olympus has better viewfinder and interchangeable screens.
Ture
Canon's LCD allow 10x zoom on playback to E-1s 4x but E-1 has more
playback modes and more pixels.
?
E-1 has 128MByte buffer built. No spec for the Canon
Must be higher
Oly supports usb 2.0, Canon 1.1 Oly also supports Firewire.
A real advantage
E-1 has more drive modes and a wireless remote.
Great feature
E-1 is smaller and lighter (660 gr vs 790gr) and with lenses this
advantage will be more pronounced in Olympus' favor.
But E1 can be much lighter.
There's lots more but I gotta stop here.

Conclusion, IMHO, the E-1 is more of a professional camera than the
10D. It has more and better features, is smaller and lighter, will,
in all probability perform equal to or exceed the 10D in everything
from speed of operation to image quality. All IMHO.
True True True but what about the mass market
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You can debate the quality superiority of the E-1 and the 10-D,but
by the time the E-1 out on the market,Sony most likely to release
thier new 8 mega camera this fall. It's about the same timing as
Sony released thier first 5 mega cam F-707. They introduced their
new 5 mega CCD at this time of the year(or sooner) and they brought
the F-707 in the fall.

I don't know if this new cam comes with in a form of DSRL or a
fixed lens camera,but one thing I can tell for sure is that Sony's
F-707/717 narrowed the gap between prosumer cameras and DSLRs in
terms of image quality.
I don't own a Sony camera,but I'm amazed at the pace of their
quality development.Traditional camera makers such as
Canon,Nikon,Olympus,Fuji and Minolta have NOT made a significant
quality development for under $2000 camera. If you can despose
$5000 or more for a camera,then the camera got to be good and
almost flawless,but how many of us can afford it or need it?

If the price of Sony's new 8 mega cam is set way lower than the
10-D,and if it produces the image quality that no sub$2000 DSLRs
can match,and I wouldn't be surprised if it did,Sony would not only
knock your socks off,but they would knock their competetions off.

We're looking at a very exciting fall. And we may see a history maker!
As Stephen pointed out, noise levels are traditionally high with these high mp/small size sensor, but I have to agree that the last few generations of sony cameras have produced great pictures.

But as they stand they'll never compete with the Dslr cameras (including the Exx) becausee of the EVF viewfinder. Although it's okay for the odd picture, I don't know any photographer who can put up with it for long.

Now, if they brought out something like the Exx - or, indeed, Olympus used this chip to make an E30 (it is the right size). I'm sure that this would sell like hot cakes.

Indeed, I haven't written off the idea of an E30 - Olympus have a history of making this sort of camera, and at the right price I'm sure there is a place in the market.

kind regards
jono slack
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