I never said those. M will be a step up from the powershot system, but they won't risk hurting their DSLR's any more. They won't make another fast M prime. If they do - I'll probably sell my 100D and some of my DSLR lenses.
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Canon 15-45mm f/3.5-6.3 EF-M IS STM coming
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EvokeEmotion
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Is your name "People"? I'm saying all those proclamations that others made were premature because Canon eventually proved them wrong. Your assertion can be proven wrong some day as well.
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rrccad
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canon's EF marketshare is steadily outpacing that of the entire segement of mirrorless which all 9-10 companies combined. that would be the reason.
EF-S doesn't really need alot of lenses, and again - how many premium lenses actually do sell.
and why would canon want to jump in there? into a segment with no profits and way too many companies vying for a smaller piece of the pie?
why? do you know they would sell?
usually premium lenses btw, do NOT sell.
what EF lenses would you opt out of to make your three EF-M's? noting that of course there is finite resource allocations, so if you take from one group to make something, you're removing something from somewhere else.
would three premium EF-M's outsell three premium EF lenses? if not, then why do it? why would you take critical engineering resources from a makethsare that is still outpacing an entire NICHE market and dedicate them to the niche?
that's insanity.
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Extending your reasoning, the EOS M line shoudn't exist at all. Canon must be insane.
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Exactly.
To put things in perspective. Fuji which is smaller than Canon in the Photography market has already 8 bodies and 20 exclusive lenses for their X system.
Canon has just 3 bodies and 4 lenses and availavle only in certain countries.
i think Canon can handle more bodies and lenses for the M system.
I ve been trying to make sense of Canon M startegy for a while but i cant is crazy.
The only reasonable scenario I can imagine is if Canon is planning to relaunch their Morrorless system in FullFrame and dont want to be too invested wih the M.
Peter63
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Canon makes the products that they think will generate sales and profit. So far they have done well.
Now that competitive brands are starting to match the focus speed of dslr products but in a smaller size, Canon may shift their thinking. The next few years should be interesting.
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I know that comprehension is hard for you and no, you didn't extend my reasoning in a logical or even realistic manner.
So let me try this again.. try to keep up.
for canon to take considerable resources from the EF mount products and put them into the EF-M products would be insanity.
so we get cobbled together camera bodies at the EF-M level, kit lenses and non-pro / premium optics. we get one lens a year approximately, that doesn't require alot of canon engineering effort. Hell the firmware got handed off to the powershot group for the love of god.
why on earth would canon do otherwise? some think that canon should stop developing EF mount lenses and make a full run at EF-M the way they are talking - that would be foolish.
Sony had to - they were sinking with the Alpha line. Other mirrorless companies had to because there was now way they were going to compete against Nikon and Canon directly -so they found niches.
Those are still niches.
Canon is still selling / shipping more cameras and increasing their EF mount installed base faster than all mirrorless vendors combined.
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not everyone likes / wants smaller cameras though.
this theory that everyone is willing to re-purchase a system because it's smaller and sink more money into an ILC hasn't been borne by the market.
Even in Japan the marketshare has remained rather consistent and that's with Olympus giving away cameras.
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rrccad
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that's certainly not reasonable.
LOL.
the reasonable answer is this. canon sells more cameras at higher prices, than all other mirrorless camera companies manage.
Same really with nikon.
let's do some napkin math.
would you rather sell units at $3000 with a 10% profit margin, or the same amount of units at $700 at a 5% margin?
canon and nikon easily sell $2000-$3000 camera bodies. they have the system, support and reliability behind them to do so.
the mirrorless companies struggle to sell in the same volume $750 bodies.
so what do you think they should focus on? Nikon has basically already gone full monte "upmarket" focusing alot of resources and engergy into DSLR full frame cameras and optics. I would imagine canon to do the same.
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Hey, don't blame me, it was your reasoning.
But what has that got to do with mirrorless?
why not make $3000 mirrorless, as Sony is willing to do, if the desire is to sell expensive units?
EvokeEmotion
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rrccad
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because why would canon or nikon invest millions into switching to a mirrorless mount when they can continue to do so with DSLR's, and there's no guarantee that the vast majority of users want an EVF based mirrorless system anyways.
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That's a bit chicken and egg isn't it?
People invested in the Canikon systems are most likely to Canikon mirrorless cameras for obvious reasons. But if Canikon don't make mirrorless, then they don't have a choice do they?
Be interesting to see how much inroads the A7RII can make with what looks like good EF support. How many Canikon users might buy one as an additional body? Certainly the direction I am heading
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speedync
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I think that may be the case. Look at some of the latest micro 4/3. All growing substantially. GX8, EM1 etc etc. Not small cameras. I'm actually pretty interested in where the SL2 heads. It all seems to be equalizing at the moment.
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rrccad
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could be, and it's certainly an option - however, for the majority of users fast AF compatibility wasn't a problem and the A7 series made barely a squeek. Time will tell to see if sony's 3200 USD body does well against it's other brothers.
I'm certainly debating it as well, especially with such a flub of the M3. however, giving sony 3200 with their apathetic service and support is holding me back.
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