FZ1000 still image quality?

FZ1000 pictures look better to me, as Kultus said, the smaller sensor of the FZ200 just will not be better than the 1" sensor, for a start `physics` tells you that, no need to get in to an argument over this, you will `not` win!!
Get your eyes checked, the FZ200 has more detail.

BTW, your eyes will tell you that if there is better glass in front of the smaller sensor, it will probably look better than bigger sensor with crummy glass.

I believe the f2.8, 600mm lens on the FZ200 is better than the f2.8 - f4, 400mm lens on the FZ1000.

dave.
 
FZ1000 pictures look better to me, as Kultus said, the smaller sensor of the FZ200 just will not be better than the 1" sensor, for a start `physics` tells you that, no need to get in to an argument over this, you will `not` win!!
Perhaps you are seeing what you expect to see, not what is actually there. Or maybe you just need more practice at looking at pictures. To me the FZ200 image @ full-screen looks better than the FZ1000 image @ full-screen.

Now let's do a pixel-peeping exercise. Crop down to the 2 HR PARKING sign in each camera's second image. You'll get about a 294x446 pixel image from the FZ1000 and about a 345x522 pixel image from the FZ200. Downsize the FZ200 image to match the pixel count of the FZ1000 image. The resulting FZ200 image will be clearly better than the FZ1000 image.

I take this as evidence that the FZ1000 is softer on distant subjects. This comparison alone can't be taken as proof as we don't know how well-controlled it is. However, I have seen enough other shots from the FZ1000 of subjects at a distance to consider it less then tack-sharp.
 
What is this statement? Lol Youre are all comparing APS-C/FF with 1" whats wrong with you? FZ1000 has great IQ for a UZ and can match MTF with base zooms. And with smaller sensor size and good lens which is in pair with quite expensive (not base) MTF or APSC lenses you can erase the difference in ISO performance. Furthermore the DR is less than it seems. Another useless thread as its all the same FZ1000 vs. DSLR (big sensor cameras). Show me one single lens that can match 25-400mm (35mm) and we can continue this discusion otherwise its waste of time ;) And if so what would be price of this lens? I understand you dont like the IQ of the pictures from FZ1000, fine but how can you compare it with FF? I really dont understand you people. Do you compare ferrari with hummer? Or Cesna with boeing 747...I dont think so. LoL

This camera has its purpose so dont make it something else. Its still P&S camrera, easy to carry and use with good universal range and really good IQ on pair with MTF/APSC without premium lenses with more functions or excelent EVF that can ICL systems pray for. The whole package. Sure you can have better IQ but also full bag of lenses and at what cost. Better take photos ;)
I agree with most of this. For a 1" sensor camera with a 16X zoom, the FZ1000 is a fantastic performer. People shouldn't expect more if they keep in mind what it actually is. And yet OP's disappointment might be understandable because the FZ1000 has been oversold by some readers at DPR.

To address the bolded, consider a D5500 with Tamron 16-300mmm f/3.5-6.3 lens, or with Nikon or 3rd-party 18-300mm f/3.5-6.3 lens.

The FZ1000 is 25-400mm (16X) f/7.6-10.8 FF equivalent.

The D5500 with 18-300 is 27-450mm (16.7X) f/5.3-9.5 FF equivalent.

The D5500 with 16-300 is 24-450mm (18.75X) f/5.3-9.5 FF equivalent.

The latter combination weighs only 15% more than the FZ1000, yet is longer and wider in zoom range, faster at all focal lengths and will have lower noise and higher DR. I can't be certain about sharpness, because I haven't seen an objective MTF measurement of the FZ1000's lens, but the higher resolution and larger pixel pitch of the D5500 makes it likely it will be at least competitive in sharpness.
 
I agree with most of this. For a 1" sensor camera with a 16X zoom, the FZ1000 is a fantastic performer. People shouldn't expect more if they keep in mind what it actually is. And yet OP's disappointment might be understandable because the FZ1000 has been oversold by some readers at DPR.

To address the bolded, consider a D5500 with Tamron 16-300mmm f/3.5-6.3 lens, or with Nikon or 3rd-party 18-300mm f/3.5-6.3 lens.

The FZ1000 is 25-400mm (16X) f/7.6-10.8 FF equivalent.

The D5500 with 18-300 is 27-450mm (16.7X) f/5.3-9.5 FF equivalent.

The D5500 with 16-300 is 24-450mm (18.75X) f/5.3-9.5 FF equivalent.

The latter combination weighs only 15% more than the FZ1000, yet is longer and wider in zoom range, faster at all focal lengths and will have lower noise and higher DR. I can't be certain about sharpness, because I haven't seen an objective MTF measurement of the FZ1000's lens, but the higher resolution and larger pixel pitch of the D5500 makes it likely it will be at least competitive in sharpness.
PLEASE ADD PRICE COMPARISON.
 
Well said Kultus, it looks like this guy is a friend of, and trolling just like the other displeased moaner, SteveNunez. lololololo
Here's my proof, where's yours.

I'm taking longer shots, at 100 feet or more.

Straight from the cameras at max optical zoom.

Aperture priority, f4, iso 200, AWB, Std picture style, NR - max, all others 0.

FZ1000

FZ200

FZ1000

FZ200

There's my shots, now where are yours?

dave

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This is interesting. I would like to see a controlled comparison of daylight shots with subjects at same size as this seems to make a diffference, so shot from the same location with both cameras at the lesser zoom of the 1000, all other settings being equal, and identically framed, of course. I am surprised, with these examples, how well the FZ200 seems to stand up to the FZ1000.
 
I agree with most of this. For a 1" sensor camera with a 16X zoom, the FZ1000 is a fantastic performer. People shouldn't expect more if they keep in mind what it actually is. And yet OP's disappointment might be understandable because the FZ1000 has been oversold by some readers at DPR.

To address the bolded, consider a D5500 with Tamron 16-300mmm f/3.5-6.3 lens, or with Nikon or 3rd-party 18-300mm f/3.5-6.3 lens.

The FZ1000 is 25-400mm (16X) f/7.6-10.8 FF equivalent.

The D5500 with 18-300 is 27-450mm (16.7X) f/5.3-9.5 FF equivalent.

The D5500 with 16-300 is 24-450mm (18.75X) f/5.3-9.5 FF equivalent.

The latter combination weighs only 15% more than the FZ1000, yet is longer and wider in zoom range, faster at all focal lengths and will have lower noise and higher DR. I can't be certain about sharpness, because I haven't seen an objective MTF measurement of the FZ1000's lens, but the higher resolution and larger pixel pitch of the D5500 makes it likely it will be at least competitive in sharpness.
PLEASE ADD PRICE COMPARISON.
Why? This was a thread about still image quality, not price/performance ratios.

The FZ1000 is much cheaper, of course. But with the FZ1000, that's all you can get. With a D5500 one can add a wider lens, a faster lens, a longer lens, more powerful flash...

And yes, you will have to spend even more money on those things.

The FZ1000 is more bang for the buck. Any SLR is more bang than an FZ1000.

If you want better bang for your buck, get a cell phone with a three year service contract.
 
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PLEASE ADD PRICE COMPARISON.
Why? This was a thread about still image quality, not price/performance ratios.

The FZ1000 is much cheaper, of course. But with the FZ1000, that's all you can get. With a D5500 one can add a wider lens, a faster lens, a longer lens, more powerful flash...

And yes, you will have to spend even more money on those things.

The FZ1000 is more bang for the buck. Any SLR is more bang than an FZ1000.
I suppose that's right. I guess i'll go look it up. $1743.90 at B&H. I'm sure cheaper elsewhere and/or used. Worth considering.
 
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PLEASE ADD PRICE COMPARISON.
Why? This was a thread about still image quality, not price/performance ratios.

The FZ1000 is much cheaper, of course. But with the FZ1000, that's all you can get. With a D5500 one can add a wider lens, a faster lens, a longer lens, more powerful flash...

And yes, you will have to spend even more money on those things.

The FZ1000 is more bang for the buck. Any SLR is more bang than an FZ1000.
I suppose that's right. I guess i'll go look it up. $1743.90 at B&H. I'm sure cheaper elsewhere and/or used. Worth considering.
IDK what B&H prices you are seeing.

I see $1375 for the Nikon/Tamron combo ($745 + $630), and $800 for the FZ1000. All prices rounded to the nearest $5.
 
Why? Because price is very important factor, thats why. Without price its not fair comparison at all. With unlimited money I could buy anything and I mean anything....so? Twice the price...LOL
 
Hi everyone,

I would like to add one more point for consideration in terms of sharpness. And that is; that maybe not all FZ1000s are created equal. I've seen plots of MTF spreads for a set of lenses over at DxOMark showing that in a group of lenses, some are sharper and some are not. This may help explain why some forum members report softness while others show us stunningly sharp 400mm photos.

Frank
 
...or maybe its AF differing, F5.6 is sharper than F4 and without purple fringing etc.

fingerpainter: acc to counted apertures, tou are right only in one thing. APSC will have narrower DOF, which can be good in some photography. But practicaly you will have longer times->higher ISO, so DR will decrease and noise will be more aparent. Also APSC lenses should be more than often stoped down to get good sharpnes over the whole frame especialy on shorter end. Overal sharpnes of these universal lenses are quite compromising. So its not high ISO performance or narrow DOF which is in play in real life...and price ofcourse!
 
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Very nice and thanks for posting.
 
After the endless discussion on the 200 vs 1000 thread I'm coming around to your POV on the D5500 plus lens. I also found an ad popping up on my screen with the B&H offer for the prices you cite (my prices I got from the B&H site, and were probably a different and more expensive lens). Wondering what you would lose putting the lens on a less expensive Nikon body?

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SteveNunez said:
I've been testing the FZ1000 shooting RAW and find the still images lacking a bit.

The images scream P&S camera and was expecting a bit more quality as reviewers raved about how good the camera is. Perhaps I'm a bit spoiled as I shoot only interchangeable lens cameras and have not purchased a P&S camera in over 15 years as I was never impressed with the stills......I was expecting a bit more from the FZ1000- anyone else feel the same? My old Canon EOS 1D MKIIN is very old and I thought the newer advanced P&S had advanced to that stage of IQ- but alas no. (I know you guys are going to say unfair comparison but I'm talking about an OLD DSLR VS a 2015 camera!)

The camera isn't bad per se'- but I was just expecting more- dynamic range is limited and highlights blow out easily and not as recoverable as lens camera RAW's.

I purchased the FZ thinking I could leave my lens cameras behind but I know I won't be pleased with the photos I'll end up with using the FZ1000.

I do however like the video capture and for that I'll probably keep the camera but as a stills camera these super zooms still have a bit to go to catch up to the lens cameras.......I was probably asking too much but I dreamt of a camera like this with near DSLR quality- but they're not there YET! I can't wait until they are!

Enough of my rant~~~ enjoy shooting guys.

(I now have a challenge to bring this FZ1000 to the wildlife wetlands and see what sort of captures I can get......my Sony A7 and Oly E-M10 are just superb in stills and I know what is possible!)

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Oly E-M10, Pan FZ1000, GM1, GF3, Pentax Q7, Samsung NX10 & Others~~



FZ1000 hand held, f5.6, FLE208mm 1/400 sec. This is Titan the crane being demolished. You can see very fine detail in the steelwork and safety fence mesh.

HI Steve, I guess it's all about expectations. I come from SLR, DSLR, M43 and sold the lot when I discovered what the FZ1000 can do. I think the FZ100 does have amazing still image quality and have satisfied myself of this over many thousands of photos. DR is also very good from RAW. I use Adobe Camera Raw.

Andrew
 
That's what matters Andrew.....you're happy with it and getting good results.

While it didn't meet my expectations I still like it and will continue to use it and learn it.

enjoy-
 
I would like to add one more point for consideration in terms of sharpness. And that is; that maybe not all FZ1000s are created equal. I've seen plots of MTF spreads for a set of lenses over at DxOMark showing that in a group of lenses, some are sharper and some are not. This may help explain why some forum members report softness while others show us stunningly sharp 400mm photos.

Frank
I've been waiting for someone to bring this up. My 1st FZ1000 was OK but I wasn't able to get the very sharp images others were getting of similar birds and with similar settings. Adorama was great about exchanging it and the new one is better than I could have hoped for. iZoom works so well that for my purposes it has an 864mm lens. If there is any loss of sharpness compared to pure optical I'd need better eyes and a better monitor to see it.
 
Have you given a thought to the possibility that it may not be the camera that lacks "near DSLR quality" but the shooter?

My question is not intended to judge your skills as a photographer. Just about everyone here can probably agree that great gear does not always result in great images and there is plenty of evidence to be found that supports the theory that in fact, expensive cameras can lead to photographic disasters in the wrong hands.

I'll give you an example. Having come from the DSLR camp and now an avid M43 user, I have tried many different types of cameras including most of the small sensor compacts. Fascinated by the RX10, it wasn't long before I purchased one, and then sold it soon after I took it on a trip to California. Why did I sell it? For you to understand the reason, I have to explain GDS, the close relative of GAS, or Gear Acquisition Syndrome. GDS is Gear Displacement Syndrome (or a fart, as I call it). What happens when you get gas is you build up pressure (too many cameras, not enough money, concerned spouse and ultimately, a nervous breakdown) and that pressure has to be released somehow. In my case, the RX10 had to be farted out to make way for more and "better" gear. The problem with GDS is that it's very similar to the "grass is greener on the other side" delusion. My opinion at the time was that even though I really liked the RX10, for it's price and size, I might as well have a better camera and some lenses which should get me better IQ (IQ=Insanity Quotient) . That is what I told myself anyway (IQ soon leads to talking to one's self).

Now the story takes a twist. I have discovered that Adobe Lightroom was designed by evil scientists not only to develop images but to recall them. Those diabolical fiends made it possible for the gullible "enthusiast" to look back and filter images by camera model. This is a horrible thing because you get to see your images a second time and the problem with that is that they look much, much better when you don't have the darn camera any more!

So I browsed (like an idiot) through my past shots with the RX10 and it dawned on me that they looked pretty darn nice. RX10 Sample Gallery from the Dark... I mean, Lightroom In fact, I seemed to recall how much fun I had not changing lenses (another invention of evil scientists who concurrently spawned the fried chicken franchise thus leading to more dropped lenses due to greasy fingers) and still had the ability to basically take any shot I wanted in almost any light and circumstance. Certainly, this couldn't be the intent of the Illuminati of the camera world (Nikon and Canon) so, it must have slipped by the marketing department at Sony and Panasonic who were too busy selling LED TV sets and Hi-Fi head units for gangsta tuners. If you don't know who a tuner is, you're pretty old. Anyway, since the slip up that resulted in the obviously mistaken release of the RX10 and FZ1000, there have been no further upgrades or releases thus proving two points in my opinion. #1, they can't improve on perfection and #2, the engineers that let the two best cameras ever made slip past the Programmed Obsolescence Department (or POD), were summarily executed by firing squad (that'll teach 'em).

So, back to my point. It wasn't the RX10 that was the problem, it was me that was the problem because I had a tool at my disposal that quite frankly, none of my DSLR's could really even compete with (it's not all about image quality, it's about fun) and yet I was too stupid (literally) to realize it and learn how to use the marvelous RX10 (same image quality as the FZ1000) with greater skill. Because it certainly was more than capable of producing the sort of images that make you want to rebuy the camera the second time you look at them. But this time, I purchased the FZ1000. It's coming tomorrow, brand new from Amazon. I look at it this way, somebody's got to fight the evil scientists who are bent on destroying the 1" sensor idea. It must not die!
 
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PLEASE ADD PRICE COMPARISON.
Why? This was a thread about still image quality, not price/performance ratios.

The FZ1000 is much cheaper, of course. But with the FZ1000, that's all you can get. With a D5500 one can add a wider lens, a faster lens, a longer lens, more powerful flash...

And yes, you will have to spend even more money on those things.

The FZ1000 is more bang for the buck. Any SLR is more bang than an FZ1000.
I suppose that's right. I guess i'll go look it up. $1743.90 at B&H. I'm sure cheaper elsewhere and/or used. Worth considering.
D3200 body around $350, Sigma 18-300 around $550. Not a huge difference. Or go mfg refurbished and knock off a bit more.
 
I've been testing the FZ1000 shooting RAW and find the still images lacking a bit.

The images scream P&S camera and was expecting a bit more quality as reviewers raved about how good the camera is. Perhaps I'm a bit spoiled as I shoot only interchangeable lens cameras and have not purchased a P&S camera in over 15 years as I was never impressed with the stills......I was expecting a bit more from the FZ1000- anyone else feel the same? My old Canon EOS 1D MKIIN is very old and I thought the newer advanced P&S had advanced to that stage of IQ- but alas no. (I know you guys are going to say unfair comparison but I'm talking about an OLD DSLR VS a 2015 camera!)

The camera isn't bad per se'- but I was just expecting more- dynamic range is limited and highlights blow out easily and not as recoverable as lens camera RAW's.

I purchased the FZ thinking I could leave my lens cameras behind but I know I won't be pleased with the photos I'll end up with using the FZ1000.

I do however like the video capture and for that I'll probably keep the camera but as a stills camera these super zooms still have a bit to go to catch up to the lens cameras.......I was probably asking too much but I dreamt of a camera like this with near DSLR quality- but they're not there YET! I can't wait until they are!

Enough of my rant~~~ enjoy shooting guys.

(I now have a challenge to bring this FZ1000 to the wildlife wetlands and see what sort of captures I can get......my Sony A7 and Oly E-M10 are just superb in stills and I know what is possible!)
 
Your post was fantastic Skippy Belmont. Thank you for your honesty and insight into why one may think they need the next big thing in cameras when we probably have what we need to take great fun photos. I recently purchased the FZ1000 to take on a trip and already have the RX10 which I am very happy with. I wanted the longer range of the FZ1000 and didn't want to take my very heavy Nikon D300 and heavy 18 by 300 lens to get it.

I don't know about anyone else but the post spoke to me. I also enjoyed the humor in it. Thanks again for putting it out there.
 

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