John Sheehy
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Anyone can collect examples that go against the mean. What's with all those purple blacks, anyway? Looks to me like specific lenses are having problems.
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Planning to spend $1.6k on old FF gear tomorrow, need opinions
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They seem to have problems on APS-C bodies mostly with equivalent settings. In those comparisons, one lens - say, the 35L - appears on a crop, and then on FF.
Why would that be agains the mean? Those are some of the most popular Canon lenses from 24mm to 200mm. I posted 35, 50, 85, 135mm eq. comparisons that APS-C can do, but apparently not so well. I should have stopped the FF shots at f/2.2 (except when comparing against the 50L) but TDP does not have it, so I chose f/2.0 instead.
BTW, I have my own experience with all those lenses except the 200/2.8 on both crop and FF.
Number 5 is interesting..as we all know the 135L is very good and better than the 200L but the roles are reversed when the 135 is on the crop and the 200 on FF
I bought a 5D on eBay and love it. But could never decide if it had had the recall. One day I was shooting a lot and it decided for me. Canon was great and did the recall for free.
but it is an old camera model and they may soon decide to quit carrying parts for the recall. You need to be sure it has already been done, or that Canon will continue to do it. If it has not been done it is worth a bit less, cause you will be with out the camera for 2 weeks.
It has no video.
Also there is no way to get the shutter count on these old models other than send it to Canon. They told me that mine was at 67K
I believe that it is rated at 100K before mean time to shutter failure. The newer models are 150K i think.
Good luck
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I was thinking more FF at hi ISO but yes the fuji looks very good ..more detail than the 5d is capable of is hard to do especially on a APS-c
for 1 there are less lenses that can resolve the detail at the much smaller pixel pitch
2 camera shake becomes more apparent the more pixel we get again its compounded on APS-c the old rule of thumb matching shutter speed to focal length is out of the window now..Higher shutter speeds often mean higher ISO, this is why most consumer lenses now come with image stabilization as standard
3 focus err is more easily detected and noticed at higher pixel pitch
4 reduced sharpness because of diffraction.. on the FF 5d this starts to take effect at F16
On 24mp APS-c it starts at F7
of course if you are printing at say 30 inch then all the above is not noticeable ..but then the 5D prints this big
No i have seen no relationship in high MP on how analog/nice a image looks ...i have seen fantastic imagers from a 4MP 1D
There are many reasons what give a camera its character this i cut and past as it explains it better than i can
Different brands, sensors, models, generations etc have their own "look" - even in the same RAW converter with custom made profiles. Some will see it, others won't or simply don't care because they have planned so much to do in post anyway.
The original 5D sensor was created with a very solid RGB filter and thin AA filter. The combination with the image processor used at the time resulted in very nice RAW files on low ISO. Newer generations are more aimed towards high ISO performance and CFA filters have become weaker to let more light in. Also, it feels like saturation levels are strongly forced in order to keep up the color on the higher ISO scale. This can have an impact on color quality and what one might refer to as "nice" or "pleasing" or "accurate".
the bird is in focus ..any softness is becos of a hand held shot at 100th at 200mm the crop of the full bard is part of a 9 feet image thats 108 inch/274cm!!!!!!!!!!
yes it was sherpand for a 10 or12 inch print..i don't edit to look good at pixel level but for the size it will be viewed at.. i not bother to re edit it for the probably 12 feet image you are viewing ..the dog image was chosen to illustrate the lack of noise for a previous poster who say the 5D is very noisy as base ISO...the over sharpening will make the noise more obvious if anything but as can be seen evan in the shadows around the chain the noise is....zero
Most a going to assume you have only photos of mush when viewed at 9 feet across
Yes the a7 has a very good image quality..skin tones aside, but maybe the OP wants to focus on something that moving ..the Fe 35 has good resolution in the center,poor in the corners and poor price/ performance ratio
villagranvicent
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Just open the box of my new-to-me Canon 5D 12.8mp... I found this beauty pristine, literally in perfect like-new condition for 450dlls, including battery pack, 16GB memory 2 chargers and 4 batteries with box and papers. The deal of the year for me
) This is the first shot I took with it with my 50mm 1.4 @1.8 ISO 640. You cannot go wrong with one of these babies.I laugh every time someone claims a camera is "obsolete" because there is something new in the market. I could not care less about WIFI, GPS, touch screens, or high performance at iso 5000000... In fact I sold my Fuji X-E1, Fuji X100, and a Canon T something, and buy myself a Leica M8, Leica Digilux 2, and my 5D. Those are my keepers. A camera who took great pictures in 2005 still take great pictures now, the question is if the photographer is up to the task?
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Just open the box of my new-to-me Canon 5D 12.8mp... I found this beauty pristine, literally in perfect like-new condition for 450dlls, including battery pack, 16GB memory 2 chargers and 4 batteries with box and papers. The deal of the year for me
I laugh every time someone claims a camera is "obsolete" because there is something new in the market. I could not care less about WIFI, GPS, touch screens, or high performance at iso 5000000... In fact I sold my Fuji X-E1, Fuji X100, and a Canon T something, and buy myself a Leica M8, Leica Digilux 2, and my 5D. Those are my keepers. A camera who took great pictures in 2005 still take great pictures now, the question is if the photographer is up to the task?
Congratulations on the new camera and a very nice photo by the way!! The way I look at it is that you got a great deal on a full frame camera that can still take excellent photos! If you decide to upgrade in a couple of years, it's not like you're going to take a big hit if you sell it. Most of the depreciation is already baked in. Smart move!
I've got the 5DMKII which still takes great photos as well.....even though it's a 2008 era sensor!! Funny how these old cameras can still fool people into thinking they produce excellent results
I'm planning to keep it for quite some time!
villagranvicent
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Doug,
Exactly!! Good for us because we can take advantage on the obsolete gear others abandon. I just sold to a friend of mine my Canon T2i (550D I guess) in 400 bucks, I put 50 more and got my 5D which is far better in my very humble opinion. I never use video once, I bought cameras to take pictures. In fact, keeping on with my nostalgia, I also sold my 2 fujis (uninspiring) and their lenses and got a 2004 Leica Digilux 2 and a 2006 Leica M8 both -just like the 5D-, pristine in like new condition with box and papers.
Now I am happy
Cheers my friend
Exactly!! Good for us because we can take advantage on the obsolete gear others abandon. I just sold to a friend of mine my Canon T2i (550D I guess) in 400 bucks, I put 50 more and got my 5D which is far better in my very humble opinion. I never use video once, I bought cameras to take pictures. In fact, keeping on with my nostalgia, I also sold my 2 fujis (uninspiring) and their lenses and got a 2004 Leica Digilux 2 and a 2006 Leica M8 both -just like the 5D-, pristine in like new condition with box and papers.
Now I am happy
Cheers my friend
villagranvicent
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In fact, the internet is loaded with crappy pictures made with 2015 high-tech cameras. I wonder why... 
If you are like me you will probably keep it for a long time..i have had my 5D for 5 years ..for the last three years i have been getting the upgrade bug every time something new comes out from canon/ nikon/sony, but i download heaps of RAW files and find i don't like the photos as much or they don't grab me as being better ....all the sony/nikon i am not happy with the skin tones ..the 5D mkii i didn't like as much ..not remember why as it was 3 years ago when i was looking at it.. the mkiii i have seen some nice photos from it,wuld have try them side by side...the pixel peeper in me might/will like the increased resolution, but guy in me that like to see photos on the wall may choose otherwise.. main improvement is high iso noise and better AFDoug,
Exactly!! Good for us because we can take advantage on the obsolete gear others abandon. I just sold to a friend of mine my Canon T2i (550D I guess) in 400 bucks, I put 50 more and got my 5D which is far better in my very humble opinion. I never use video once, I bought cameras to take pictures. In fact, keeping on with my nostalgia, I also sold my 2 fujis (uninspiring) and their lenses and got a 2004 Leica Digilux 2 and a 2006 Leica M8 both -just like the 5D-, pristine in like new condition with box and papers.
Now I am happy
Cheers my friend
BUT the most important thing in a photo is the content
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John Sheehy
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This is actually a very complex subject, since there are so many variables and exceptions. My main point to you was not to assume that you will be entering a whole new level in equipment performance with your planned upgrade to FF, and especially an older one like the 5D. The 5D will give a wider FOV with any given lens than an APS-C; that is the only thing that you can take for granted. If you want less noise, the 5D is not going to give it to you. Modern FF sensors can give less noise, as long as you are willing to use the narrower DOF that is possible with the larger format, but the 5D loses that FF advantage by being far less efficient and having more and uglier noise than current sensors.
This (and the antiquated features) is why I recommended the 5D only if the wider FOV (and consequent narrower possible DOF) is important to you, and you can't afford a better-IQ FF camera like the 6D at this time. I bought a 5D2 in January of 2009, thinking that I was entering a new world of low high-ISO noise, and today, my 7D2 is better at high ISOs, by a good margin, and much better in the shadows of ISO 100, as well.
Subjectively, you personally may like the look of big-pixel images with weak anti-alias filters, like those from the 5D, because at 100% pixel view such images can look crisper, but others, like myself, see that as distortion and a drawback.
Like I already wrote in another post, since I bought the 7D2 my 6D stays home a lot more. The only times the 6D is better are when I am using a lens of marginal sharpness and I don't want to stop down, when I want to use lenses at f-#s faster than 2.8 and I want to lose less light to small-pixel microlenses, and when I want to shoot at very wide angles. Otherwise, the 7D2 performs just as well in equivalence, and significantly better in focal-length-limited situations, where I would crop the 6D 1.6x harder.
villagranvicent
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Indeed. The content is what really matters, the important thing is to have a camera available at the right moment even if it is an iPhone. In my case photography is my hobby and I haven't print a picture larger than 8x10 in years and all my pics end up in Facebook, 10-12mp are enough so I rather have a camera that I really like regardless of its obsolency. The 5Dii is more than enough for basically any possible professional task, anything more is a serious issue with G.A.S.If you are like me you will probably keep it for a long time..i have had my 5D for 5 years ..for the last three years i have been getting the upgrade bug every time something new comes out from canon/ nikon/sony, but i download heaps of RAW files and find i don't like the photos as much or they don't grab me as being better ....all the sony/nikon i am not happy with the skin tones ..the 5D mkii i didn't like as much ..not remember why as it was 3 years ago when i was looking at it.. the mkiii i have seen some nice photos from it,wuld have try them side by side...the pixel peeper in me might/will like the increased resolution, but guy in me that like to see photos on the wall may choose otherwise.. main improvement is high iso noise and better AFDoug,
Exactly!! Good for us because we can take advantage on the obsolete gear others abandon. I just sold to a friend of mine my Canon T2i (550D I guess) in 400 bucks, I put 50 more and got my 5D which is far better in my very humble opinion. I never use video once, I bought cameras to take pictures. In fact, keeping on with my nostalgia, I also sold my 2 fujis (uninspiring) and their lenses and got a 2004 Leica Digilux 2 and a 2006 Leica M8 both -just like the 5D-, pristine in like new condition with box and papers.
Now I am happy
Cheers my friend
BUT the most important thing in a photo is the content
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My 5D2 was the only camera I've ever sold. There's no accounting for taste!I've got the 5DMKII which still takes great photos as well.....even though it's a 2008 era sensor!! Funny how these old cameras can still fool people into thinking they produce excellent results
Every camera can take good pictures; the question is, in how many various situations can it do so in? The 5D2 works great for mid- and high-key photos at ISOs 100 through 3200; above 3200, banding starts to be a big problem, and in the shadow areas of the lowest ISOs, especially 125 and 250 with HTP, it is a disaster.
Equipment worship is silly, IMO. If you can't square with what is inferior about your equipment, you are living in Lala Land.
"Camera X still takes great pictures" is useless information, as any camera can take a unique photo, or a technically acceptable one in at least some situations.
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Nice camera orientation. Good place and time to be, and a good decision to take the shot. What does it have to do with the camera, though? What equipment worshippers present as "evidence" would be laughable, if it weren't so sad.
What is scary is the idea that there might be APS-C cameras which can't do this same thing. Are there any? Then what is the point?
How would my 7D2 with the 10-22 EF-s do in this situation?
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Except for a few little things like the cursor and flash sync speed, the 6D is a much better camera than the 5D2, and even moreso than the 5D.villagranvicent wrote:
The 5Dii is more than enough for basically any possible professional task, anything more is a serious issue with G.A.S.
The shadows of all ISOs are much more usable, the high ISOs are much more usable with very little low-frequency noise and banding.
I wouldn't refrain from taking photos if I had a 5D instead of a 6D, but I would never try to suggest to anyone that is just as good as the 6D, for most intents and purposes.
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