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Evidence starts to mount that the Quattro has increased sales
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So .... "It basically signals there is no resource to do a proper EVF"
Might as well give up then .... switch to a DPQ Zoom?
Low effort. Compared with developing a camera or lens or flash they're mere garnish. Chances ar they stuck them in to juist make it look like there is a range of accessories.
Sigma always know best I guess! But third party sellers will only try if they decide that they will sell. That's real validation.
Personally I was stunned by the DP0Q announcement. But what makes it interesting is that it's a DPQ that doesn't compete head on with a DPM .... so existing DPM users may well be tempted.
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Drowning man would grab even the razor blade. That is what I got from your analogy.
My spin is that they've 'cut a fat hog in the ass' as we say in TX with the Art series of lenses; read the comments in other forums and the outstanding reviews. This frees up capital for continued development of the DP's and DSLR's which is very good for us- the long suffering faithful
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Why should you do that when it is a part of a series of cameras with different FOVs
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Sigma definitely managed to generate some buzz with Quattro, that's for sure. It was a risky bet to go with such unorthodox design. That raised some eyebrows.
And significant price drop on Merrills after Quattro line got introduced also helps. It's one thing to spend 1000 Euro to experiment with Sigma camera, and another to do that for 420 Euro. At least that was my motivator. Sigmas were on my radar for years now. But there was no way I could justify spending such amount of money to play around with a camera that is of such limited use and that I might end up hating. I would not be surprised if more people were like that, intrigued, but not to the point to spend so much money to satisfy curiosity.
But at current prices? I just figured I'd get a DP2M instead of buying 25mm prime for my OM-D. And so far, I'm really enjoying the Merrill and I'm very pleased with the results. And getting a DP3Q + converter lens in the future is not out of the question for me. I'm actually seeing myself hopping on board the Quattro train in the future.
So I'd say it's good that Merrills are still on store shelves (although not in my country, I had to buy on german Amazon). There might be more people like me, and Merrills might be the "hook" to get us on board.
What bearing does an EVF have on cameras with different FOVs?
You either design it in or you don't. It gets its information from the sensor - it doesn't need to be specific to each camera like an OVF.
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Sure there have been more Quattro sales... And most of the increase is due to the one time pricing "oops" at B&H last year. At $499 USD for a new DP2Q, even those who were leaning more towards the DPMs were prompted to buy a Q instead of an M.
Panasonic, Sony and Fuji do a great job of designing cameras with integral, realistic EVFs. Personally, I like that approach better than "adding on the top."
Otherwise, you might as well get a Panasonic G or Samung NX10/20/30 camera-both models use the traditional "SLR form" to great advantage. If you like traditional SLR format, there are among the best designed, most ergonomic cameras out there with EVF replacing OVF.
The Quattro has such a large platform, a good camera designer could have included an integral EVF and dual card slots. I excuse Sigma to a certain extent because for that DP price, you get an outstanding lens. But so many DSLRs now priced even higher than a DPM or DPQ don't even have 2 card slots or micro-focus adjustment.
Thus, I think the Sigmas are excellent values. Just wish Sigma would invest more in the LCD, processing engine, firmware and software aspect of the models.
Otherwise, you might as well get a Panasonic G or Samung NX10/20/30 camera-both models use the traditional "SLR form" to great advantage. If you like traditional SLR format, there are among the best designed, most ergonomic cameras out there with EVF replacing OVF.
The Quattro has such a large platform, a good camera designer could have included an integral EVF and dual card slots. I excuse Sigma to a certain extent because for that DP price, you get an outstanding lens. But so many DSLRs now priced even higher than a DPM or DPQ don't even have 2 card slots or micro-focus adjustment.
Thus, I think the Sigmas are excellent values. Just wish Sigma would invest more in the LCD, processing engine, firmware and software aspect of the models.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner
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It's more priority than inability, but yes.
Which leads to loss of quality/compactness/ease of use which is the hallmark of the DP cameras. Also it puts the DP camera in an entirely different and WAY too crowded market segment that is having trouble with sinking sales.
I just can't see where it is easy... Routing HD video internally, very dense LCD, power drain, lack of space, heat dissipation, just some of many aspects which make it as much a challenge as anything to add.
If it were really low effort, every standalone camera would have an EVF.
It's a different kind I guess... there have been third party products for the Merrill's and other cameras.
That is a very interesting point.
That was refering to the grip and case ..... not the development of EVF.
The issue with the EVF is that Sigma are trying to sell the DPQ (and previously the DPM) in a sector where the competition have an EVF.
An EVF isn't quite that hard if you have a live LCD. It's a module plus some software. But looking at the DP cameras, the SPP software, and making some inferences and assumptions - Sigma are probably in a hard place next to a rock when it comes to development resource vs their competition.
I would add ... while being flippant about a DPQ Zoom (TBH if the DP0Q really is the shape in the photographs of it then it might make a zoom look compact!) I think there would be a place for it if Sigma did a good job on the lens.
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Well developed product don't really need afterthought accessories like bottom grip or cumbersome LCD viewer. It is nice that manufacturer makes them available for purchase but at the same time it is admittance of overlooking the basics in the first place.
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Why? Majority of cameras in same segment as Quattro have O/E viewfinders and decent ergonomics.
Sure. But not as OEM accessories.
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Ergonomically Quatro is quite good
http://store.sony.com/thumb-grip-fo...t-27-catid-All-Cameras-Cyber-shot-Accessories for one.
But that besides the point.
On one hand you are saying that availability of "afterthought" accessories is "admittance of overlooking the basics" for Sigma on another after-market ones for other manufactures are o'key.
You can't have it both ways.
Almost every camera has OEM and after-market accessories. Sigma is much more frugal or minimalistic in that regard.
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They have to buy the sensors in batches. That money is already spent even if they don't put them in a camera. So you put as many cameras out to eat the supply of sensors. The real question is not the number of models of cameras but the number of sensors.
What be interesting would be to compare the numbers of M sensors put in cameras and compare that the the number of Q sensors put into camera's so far. Of course I expect that is a guarded secret at Sigma.
Am i rigth, that there is always a better fixed focus lens than the best zoom-lens? So we will hardly see a zoom-DPQ. Kazuto will only the best possible image-quality on DPQs. Not guaranteed with DPQs.
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