Q Looses the 3-D of the M?

Started Jul 23, 2014 | Discussions thread
Lin Evans
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Re: what's 3-D?

No David,

It's not "simply wrong." Explain to me how to quantify the mental state of hate? (or love for that matter). I "hate" onions, I "hate" pontification, I "hate" murderers. All three sentences use the word correctly but have vastly different meanings. All that science can do in such a case is pseudo-science. By arbitrarily assigning some numeric coefficent then statistically manipulating that arbitrarily assigned number, science attempts to quantify a quality which can't be quantified and then uses the result as if it had some real meaning when it absolutely does not. "Hate" is a real emotion and can range from mild to intense but can't be quantified. It's only one of many, many examples which could be used. It's not as if you can assign a "degree" of hate or love or other emotion. These emotions are very real things but not subject to the domain of science. You may "think" that you can inject a dye into the blood stream, photograph the human brain activity under the conditions of expression of emotions and come up with some cockamamie theory about quantifying an emotion but in doing so are deluding yourself.

I believe you are hung up on the use of "science" where it has no validity. Absolutely not everthing is quantifiable. There is no "imagination" involved when someone perceives a difference in two prints. The perception is real but in most cases can't be quantified. Any attempts to quantify a quality beyond the domain of quantification is pseudo-science.

Best regards,


DMillier wrote:

I'm always mildly surprised when people make such assertions about the domain of science because it is simply wrong. Blind testing of "perceptions" is how cognitive science progresses. Far from being unsuitable, it is ideal for truth determination of this kind.

I have a belief that there is a certain "something" about the rendering of the DP2M when picturing surface texture that is different from other cameras. I accept that it is perfectly possible that I am simply imagining this. A blind test is the ideal way to detect whether it is my imagination or real.

If I consistently see the difference under non-test conditions but fail under test conditions and this is all set up properly and analysed properly then I can't detect the phenomenon in reality, I'm just imagining I can. Figuring this out is what blind testing is good at. And never underestimate the placebo effect - it's incredibly powerful.

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