Feeling intimidated by fullframers.....

GTOz · Nov 7, 2014

Sorry previous thread full.

Yes, full framers can be intimidating.

Taken at a flower show. I have obscured his face because Special Forces soldiers cannot be identified.

I think the great white lens was for the birds because it seems to be a 100-400 with a 1.4x teleconverter.

I ducked out from behind cover and snapped this at the long end of my 14-140 (cropped) before returning to safety. However looking at the photo I see that he had a sneaky 90 degree viewfinder and I was in his sights all along.....

Michael M Fliegel · Nov 7, 2014

Heck, I feel sorry for him. Show him what a real camera can do!

Tom Caldwell · Nov 7, 2014

Are you sure he wasn't a pretend full framer with an aps-c dslr body? The cheek of it.

The most ostentious full framers are not those with dslr bodies but those with a Sony A7 body as getting used to the controls is sure to put an impressively serious furrow in their brows. They know that you know they have a FF engine inside. No need for big lenses, they are sure to have Voigtlander, Ziess or Leica written on the front.

Just like the guy with a hot cam and a lumpy exhaust that pulls up alongside at the lights. Pity the choke lever has gone otherwise you could easily have your own lumpy exhaust note at the flick of a lever and tease a bit. Leaving him disappear over the horizon in a cloud of smoke and burning rubber .... smugly satisfied I suppose.

Myself I just put huge lenses on a GM1 - impress people? Just like any other clown I think

nzmacro · Nov 7, 2014

GTOz said:
Sorry previous thread full.

Yes, full framers can be intimidating.

Taken at a flower show. I have obscured his face because Special Forces soldiers cannot be identified.

I think the great white lens was for the birds because it seems to be a 100-400 with a 1.4x teleconverter.

I ducked out from behind cover and snapped this at the long end of my 14-140 (cropped) before returning to safety. However looking at the photo I see that he had a sneaky 90 degree viewfinder and I was in his sights all along.....

I just beak out the m4/3 gear

E-M10, 800mm

E-M10, 500mm

Panny G2, 300mm

Panny G2, 500mm

Panny G2, 500mm

What's the problem ;-) Oh I know, its the smaller body we all want so we can have a small system !!

Danny.

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Guy Parsons · Nov 7, 2014

I honestly think that I make them feel stupid for carrying so much kit, when I get what I need with the E-P5 and 12-40mm or occasionally pull out the E-PL5 with 45-150mm and then sometimes use 9-18mm or 9mm fishy - and all kept in a little bag that they hardly notice.

I'm happy. They are just keeping chiropractors rich.

One thing I notice a lot, they are stuck with a fixed eye height view of the world, with the E-P5 and use of tilt LCD I am taking both low and high viewpoint shots all the time with no problems.

Regards.... Guy

NCV · Nov 7, 2014

Without my big 300mm 2.8 bazooka I would never taken these shots: http://nigelvoak.blogspot.it/2013/11/another-age.html .

So let’s be serious, these lenses have their uses and an equivalent FL to the 300 2.8 for M43 has only just appeared.

Shure I only carried the 300 2.8 when I was certain it was needed.

gergei1 · Nov 7, 2014

Being intimidated by people with larger sensors is all in the intimidated person's head.

One should develop a 'I've got bigger balls than you've got sensors'-attitude and just go about one's business.

A couple of times a year I attend international racing events (Le Mans 24h, Formula-1, etc.) professionally, but not as a photographer.

But I always bring my camera gear. This year at Le Mans was the first time I actually got out trackside to shoot some action, and got some really nice shots with my pretty lowly set up: Panasonic G3 + G6 & PL25/1.4 + Sigma 60/2.8.

Sure it felt awkward standing next to a professional racing photographer with at least €10-15k of equipment around his neck the first time. But then I just focused on my purpose of being there, and the proverbial size of my balls, and just focused on having fun

This set is from Formula 1 pre season testing i Jerez:

Jerez 2014

Explore this photo album by Gergei Farkas on Flickr!

www.flickr.com

Tom Caldwell · Nov 7, 2014

Dang it Danny, makes me want to get an EF adapter for M4/3 so that I can hook up my GM1 to something spectacular.

Seriously, on a tour around your beautiful Fiordland and Southland last April I was most impressed by (not intimidated) by all the Canon dslr bodies with the becoming ubiquitous 70-200mm f2.8 lenses on board. Lovely big impressive lumps. I had my own impressive gear - the GM1with a Nocticron on board and used my VEfinder for framing - worked well. The GM1 + Nocticron was an unusual kit but because it was much smaller than the average dslr among a bunch of tourist types it raised no intimidated eyebrows, except maybe the ocasional "what the heck is that?" The kit lens was also fine and more discreet. I did get several enquiries sspecifically about the VEfinder and a few "test tries" - pity that I did not have my order book with me as I think I could have sold a few.

Milford Sound chucked a wet-day wobbly and I refused to be intimidated by wet weather. After having an umbrella turn inside ot a few times I tried shooting from inside a plastic bag - not good. In the end I just used the kit lens and let it all hang out on the outside deck - wiping the lens dry with a tissue at intervals until it (the tissue) succumbed to the wetness. Heck I have come all this way to get a few images - I am not about to let some puny NZ wet weather stop me

Afterwards I carefully and slowly dried the camera and lens out thoroughly and it has caused no problems since - camera or lens. Click to seven months later - all sweet.

Oh and I did not have the Panasonic 35-100mm f2.8 OIS then or I would have shown those pesky 70-200 Canon things an image or two, but I might not have hazarded it to the Milford Sound idea of wetness.

nzmacro · Nov 7, 2014

Tom Caldwell said:
Dang it Danny, makes me want to get an EF adapter for M4/3 so that I can hook up my GM1 to something spectacular.

Seriously, on a tour around your beautiful Fiordland and Southland last April I was most impressed by (not intimidated) by all the Canon dslr bodies with the becoming ubiquitous 70-200mm f2.8 lenses on board. Lovely big impressive lumps. I had my own impressive gear - the GM1with a Nocticron on board and used my VEfinder for framing - worked well. The GM1 + Nocticron was an unusual kit but because it was much smaller than the average dslr among a bunch of tourist types it raised no intimidated eyebrows, except maybe the ocasional "what the heck is that?" The kit lens was also fine and more discreet. I did get several enquiries sspecifically about the VEfinder and a few "test tries" - pity that I did not have my order book with me as I think I could have sold a few.

Milford Sound chucked a wet-day wobbly and I refused to be intimidated by wet weather. After having an umbrella turn inside ot a few times I tried shooting from inside a plastic bag - not good. In the end I just used the kit lens and let it all hang out on the outside deck - wiping the lens dry with a tissue at intervals until it (the tissue) succumbed to the wetness. Heck I have come all this way to get a few images - I am not about to let some puny NZ wet weather stop me

Afterwards I carefully and slowly dried the camera and lens out thoroughly and it has caused no problems since - camera or lens. Click to seven months later - all sweet.

Oh and I did not have the Panasonic 35-100mm f2.8 OIS then or I would have shown those pesky 70-200 Canon things an image or two, but I might not have hazarded it to the Milford Sound idea of wetness.

Martin.au · Nov 7, 2014

I was thinking of responding to the last thread, pointing out that in general, no I didn't feel intimidated by fullframers because to benefit from the 2 stops advantage over my kit with full frame, they have to carry a 135mm f2, a 24-70f2.8, a 120mm macro, and a 150-600mm, giving an all up weight of around 5kg. Most people don't carry that for general walk around photography.

Then I saw the photo...

Tom Caldwell · Nov 7, 2014

Guy Parsons said:
I honestly think that I make them feel stupid for carrying so much kit, when I get what I need with the E-P5 and 12-40mm or occasionally pull out the E-PL5 with 45-150mm and then sometimes use 9-18mm or 9mm fishy - and all kept in a little bag that they hardly notice.

I'm happy. They are just keeping chiropractors rich.

One thing I notice a lot, they are stuck with a fixed eye height view of the world, with the E-P5 and use of tilt LCD I am taking both low and high viewpoint shots all the time with no problems.

Regards.... Guy

Guy

Funnily enough I subscribe to the big dslr kit. I took a Lowepro backpack crammed with gear on as carry-on luggage to Malaysia and back some years ago pretentending that it was not heavy at all. Luckily I was not asked to weigh it ...

I got some great images for my trouble. There is no doubt that it was the only way to go at the time. Then we went on a touring holiday in Australia and I had multiple bodies and lenses. Worked well, even though there might have been more camera gear than personal luggage.

It is not such a great burden if you were serious about what you were doing. But now the wife says "only take one camera" - but which one? So I use smaller cameras and lenses and one much smaller bag can hide a lot of sins and she, good wife that she is, pretends not to notice.

Chances are also that present day M4/3 kit is as good as olden days dslr kit. However I still think that a lens with huge object glass has a place in the world, just a pity I don't have the talent to use it to its fullest capability.

I am free and easy about the advantages of M4/3 as against the larger gear and vice versa and feel no necessity to impress any way, and no, I don't need chiropractors.

The most amusing thing I ever saw was a gun professional photographer running after a moving buggy at Sovereign Hill snapping a notable with a dslr to his eye and two dslr bodies flapping about his person ... and an assistant running behind with another spare. Being famous allows you the luxury of looking ridiculous and for a fat feee I would not care either. Impressive gear, unfortunately my 5D and TS-E 24mm 3.5mm tilt shift and monopod just made me another tourist nobody. Pity they would not allow me to bring in my pack mule loaded up with the rest of my kit .....

The moral of the story was that no matter how impressive your gear if you don't have the contacts you are just another nobody with more money than sense. Long live common sense practicality, every person with a camera or mobile phone is a photographer and their work is potentially just as good as any.

Macintosh Sauce · Nov 7, 2014

My back could not handle all that gear. Hence, this is the reason why I got the new silver E-M1 and the 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO lens.

Brian D. Schneider · Nov 7, 2014

GTOz said:
Sorry previous thread full.

Yes, full framers can be intimidating.

Taken at a flower show. I have obscured his face because Special Forces soldiers cannot be identified.

I think the great white lens was for the birds because it seems to be a 100-400 with a 1.4x teleconverter.

I ducked out from behind cover and snapped this at the long end of my 14-140 (cropped) before returning to safety. However looking at the photo I see that he had a sneaky 90 degree viewfinder and I was in his sights all along.....

What "special forces" He's not in uniform and he's in a public place. Posting with his face showing would be perfectly legal.

Just ask Ozyxy

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Tommot1965 · Nov 7, 2014

superb images of F1

gergei1 said:
Being intimidated by people with larger sensors is all in the intimidated person's head.

One should develop a 'I've got bigger balls than you've got sensors'-attitude and just go about one's business.

A couple of times a year I attend international racing events (Le Mans 24h, Formula-1, etc.) professionally, but not as a photographer.

But I always bring my camera gear. This year at Le Mans was the first time I actually got out trackside to shoot some action, and got some really nice shots with my pretty lowly set up: Panasonic G3 + G6 & PL25/1.4 + Sigma 60/2.8.

Sure it felt awkward standing next to a professional racing photographer with at least €10-15k of equipment around his neck the first time. But then I just focused on my purpose of being there, and the proverbial size of my balls, and just focused on having fun

This set is from Formula 1 pre season testing i Jerez:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/74154925@N07/sets/72157640602120034/

gergei1 · Nov 7, 2014

Tommot1965 said:
superb images of F1

gergei1 said:

Being intimidated by people with larger sensors is all in the intimidated person's head.

One should develop a 'I've got bigger balls than you've got sensors'-attitude and just go about one's business.

A couple of times a year I attend international racing events (Le Mans 24h, Formula-1, etc.) professionally, but not as a photographer.

But I always bring my camera gear. This year at Le Mans was the first time I actually got out trackside to shoot some action, and got some really nice shots with my pretty lowly set up: Panasonic G3 + G6 & PL25/1.4 + Sigma 60/2.8.

Sure it felt awkward standing next to a professional racing photographer with at least €10-15k of equipment around his neck the first time. But then I just focused on my purpose of being there, and the proverbial size of my balls, and just focused on having fun

This set is from Formula 1 pre season testing i Jerez:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/74154925@N07/sets/72157640602120034/

Click to expand...

Thanks Tommot1965! I really enjoy the action in the pits. Here is a set from Le Mans 2013. All with the Panasonic G3:

24h du Mans 2013

My 2013 trip to the 24h du Mans in pictures. Everything shot with a Panasonic G3 and either the Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 or the Sigma 60/2.8. All pictures shot in RAW and developed in Lightroom 4. Some with tweaked presets from VSCO Film, or Like-A-Look.

www.flickr.com

G1Houston · Nov 7, 2014

GTOz said:
Sorry previous thread full.

Yes, full framers can be intimidating.

Taken at a flower show. I have obscured his face because Special Forces soldiers cannot be identified.

I think the great white lens was for the birds because it seems to be a 100-400 with a 1.4x teleconverter.

I ducked out from behind cover and snapped this at the long end of my 14-140 (cropped) before returning to safety. However looking at the photo I see that he had a sneaky 90 degree viewfinder and I was in his sights all along.....

bobn2 · Nov 7, 2014

GTOz said:
Sorry previous thread full.

Yes, full framers can be intimidating.

Taken at a flower show. I have obscured his face because Special Forces soldiers cannot be identified.

I think the great white lens was for the birds because it seems to be a 100-400 with a 1.4x teleconverter.

I ducked out from behind cover and snapped this at the long end of my 14-140 (cropped) before returning to safety. However looking at the photo I see that he had a sneaky 90 degree viewfinder and I was in his sights all along.....

I don't think your GX7 has done a very good job of this. It's lost all the detail in his face.

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Bob
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Landscapephoto99 · Nov 7, 2014

They may be armed to the teeth with heavy weaponry, but we have stealth. I have gotten my little E-M5 in places where the behemoths and the bazookas were stopped at the door.

Tom Caldwell · Nov 7, 2014

nzmacro said:
Tom Caldwell said:

Dang it Danny, makes me want to get an EF adapter for M4/3 so that I can hook up my GM1 to something spectacular.

Seriously, on a tour around your beautiful Fiordland and Southland last April I was most impressed by (not intimidated) by all the Canon dslr bodies with the becoming ubiquitous 70-200mm f2.8 lenses on board. Lovely big impressive lumps. I had my own impressive gear - the GM1with a Nocticron on board and used my VEfinder for framing - worked well. The GM1 + Nocticron was an unusual kit but because it was much smaller than the average dslr among a bunch of tourist types it raised no intimidated eyebrows, except maybe the ocasional "what the heck is that?" The kit lens was also fine and more discreet. I did get several enquiries sspecifically about the VEfinder and a few "test tries" - pity that I did not have my order book with me as I think I could have sold a few.

Milford Sound chucked a wet-day wobbly and I refused to be intimidated by wet weather. After having an umbrella turn inside ot a few times I tried shooting from inside a plastic bag - not good. In the end I just used the kit lens and let it all hang out on the outside deck - wiping the lens dry with a tissue at intervals until it (the tissue) succumbed to the wetness. Heck I have come all this way to get a few images - I am not about to let some puny NZ wet weather stop me

Afterwards I carefully and slowly dried the camera and lens out thoroughly and it has caused no problems since - camera or lens. Click to seven months later - all sweet.

Oh and I did not have the Panasonic 35-100mm f2.8 OIS then or I would have shown those pesky 70-200 Canon things an image or two, but I might not have hazarded it to the Milford Sound idea of wetness.

Click to expand...

Tom Caldwell · Nov 7, 2014

Martin.au said:
I was thinking of responding to the last thread, pointing out that in general, no I didn't feel intimidated by fullframers because to benefit from the 2 stops advantage over my kit with full frame, they have to carry a 135mm f2, a 24-70f2.8, a 120mm macro, and a 150-600mm, giving an all up weight of around 5kg. Most people don't carry that for general walk around photography.

Then I saw the photo...

Each set of gear suits a specific purpose - but sometimes we over-purpose.

Those that feel intimidated by large dslr gear users are probably on the fringes and need not feel that way. Perhaps the idea of big kit is to intimidate others, but I think not, perhaps it is that they just want the best kit that they can afford and think that the dslr is the only way to get it - this shows as much lack of understanding of cameras as much as it might show their ability to buy it. Those that wish to make fun of their "lack of understanding" by making fun might be suffering from a little of "small-man syndrome" as in fact most of us just go on taking images without concern for what someone else has chosen to use.

More to the point is the "gaze of inspection" of your "equipment" when turing up on the "pro's" reserve and the palpable but restained, oh so polite haughtiness, if it does not match the "quality" of the others "in the pit". Then there is the "my little camera is better than your big camera" situation where the idea is to prove that little tiddler can out shoot the bazooka ....

And of course the wedding photographer's fee is proportional to the size of their kit.

I remember the "Nash Rambler" song ...

I know that for many years when the chips were down and I just had to get a good image on the day I would always chose the big dslr kit for a more fail-safe solution. These days I am becoming more confident that M4/3 no longer needs the same level of insurance policy (as to have a dslr and suitable lenses in reserve).

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