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1.6GHz $1999 1.8GHz $2399 Dual 2GHz $2999
Enclosures! 9 fans!. but quieter,

System - G5 System Controller - dedicated bandwidth to each subsystem. IBM is fabricating it. 6x faster than G4, 8GB bandwidth, 1processor doesn't slow down the other one. 400mhz DDR memory, AGP 8x Pro, 133mhz PCI-X slots. Hypertransport. Serial ATA. 1.5GB/s bandwidth. independent interfaces to each drive. Rest of the i/o - high performance. optical digital i/o and analog i/o, fw800 ,usb 2.0

Single/Dual processors. Up to 8GB Memory. Can talk to mem @ 6.4GB/s. 4x Superdrive in each. Geforce fx5200 in lower, radeon 9600 pro in higher mode.
Introduced Dr. Johnny Kelly the 3rd on stage.
This is a new generation architecture.

Massivly parallel. Up to 250 inflight instructions. -- can be processed at the same time. The G4 can do 16. Floating point "monster". Two fully symetric integer units. massive branch prediction logic.
fastest front sidebus - ever. designed for dual processor systems.

We're calling it the G5. It is a 64-bit processor. The first first 64-bit desktop processor. Runs our existing 32-bit apps no problems.
The Chip - we turned to IBM several years ago.
The Chip, the System, The Product
We are delivering today - the Worlds Fastest Personal Computer.
 
Here are the salient details:
o "world's fastest personal computer"
o 64 and 32-bit native application suport
o 1GHz front-side bus (FSB)
o 2GHz processor speed, full SMP
o Two floating-point processors, massively parallel, 12-unit core (up to)
o 8X AGP (GeForce 5200, low-end; Radeon 9600, high-end)
o Up to 8GB memory
o Up to 8Gbps system bandwidth
Warren Liebman said:
in reverse order

1.6GHz $1999 1.8GHz $2399 Dual 2GHz $2999
Enclosures! 9 fans!. but quieter,
System - G5 System Controller - dedicated bandwidth to each
subsystem. IBM is fabricating it. 6x faster than G4, 8GB
bandwidth, 1processor doesn't slow down the other one. 400mhz
DDR memory, AGP 8x Pro, 133mhz PCI-X slots. Hypertransport. Serial
ATA. 1.5GB/s bandwidth. independent interfaces to each drive. Rest
of the i/o - high performance. optical digital i/o and analog i/o,
fw800 ,usb 2.0
Single/Dual processors. Up to 8GB Memory. Can talk to mem @
6.4GB/s. 4x Superdrive in each. Geforce fx5200 in lower, radeon
9600 pro in higher mode.
Introduced Dr. Johnny Kelly the 3rd on stage.
This is a new generation architecture.
Massivly parallel. Up to 250 inflight instructions. -- can be
processed at the same time. The G4 can do 16. Floating point
"monster". Two fully symetric integer units. massive branch
prediction logic.
fastest front sidebus - ever. designed for dual processor systems.
We're calling it the G5. It is a 64-bit processor. The first first
64-bit desktop processor. Runs our existing 32-bit apps no
problems.
The Chip - we turned to IBM several years ago.
The Chip, the System, The Product
We are delivering today - the Worlds Fastest Personal Computer.
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It is not by any measure the 'world's fastest PC' the results where skewed strongly in Apple's favor, neither is it the 'world's first 64 bit PC'.. those have been around for years
Warren Liebman said:
Warren Liebman said:
in reverse order

1.6GHz $1999 1.8GHz $2399 Dual 2GHz $2999
Enclosures! 9 fans!. but quieter,
System - G5 System Controller - dedicated bandwidth to each
subsystem. IBM is fabricating it. 6x faster than G4, 8GB
bandwidth, 1processor doesn't slow down the other one. 400mhz
DDR memory, AGP 8x Pro, 133mhz PCI-X slots. Hypertransport. Serial
ATA. 1.5GB/s bandwidth. independent interfaces to each drive. Rest
of the i/o - high performance. optical digital i/o and analog i/o,
fw800 ,usb 2.0
Single/Dual processors. Up to 8GB Memory. Can talk to mem @
6.4GB/s. 4x Superdrive in each. Geforce fx5200 in lower, radeon
9600 pro in higher mode.
Introduced Dr. Johnny Kelly the 3rd on stage.
This is a new generation architecture.
Massivly parallel. Up to 250 inflight instructions. -- can be
processed at the same time. The G4 can do 16. Floating point
"monster". Two fully symetric integer units. massive branch
prediction logic.
fastest front sidebus - ever. designed for dual processor systems.
We're calling it the G5. It is a 64-bit processor. The first first
64-bit desktop processor. Runs our existing 32-bit apps no
problems.
The Chip - we turned to IBM several years ago.
The Chip, the System, The Product
We are delivering today - the Worlds Fastest Personal Computer.
Click to expand...
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brooksw said:
PC, Personal computer.... NOT server....
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There is no real distinction between the two, only that "servers" generally have a differnet encasing (PSU) and use more expensive RAM and SCSI disks.

But as said, you have been able to build 64 bit PC's using Alpha chips for some while running UNIX or Linux. For a little while you have also been able to build 64 bit PC's based on AMDs Opteron CPU and e.g. the MS-K8D Master F Opteron (MS-9131) mother board, still cheaper than what is being charged for the G5.

I am NOT saying the the Mac G5's are not great machines, MERELY backing up the claims that they are not the first 64 bit PC's (nor the f..... ;-)

--
Kjeld Olesen
http://www.acapixus.dk
 
for overstating the actual speed of thier machines. However, I am sure it will set a new standard for a short while.
Warren Liebman said:
in reverse order

1.6GHz $1999 1.8GHz $2399 Dual 2GHz $2999
Enclosures! 9 fans!. but quieter,
System - G5 System Controller - dedicated bandwidth to each
subsystem. IBM is fabricating it. 6x faster than G4, 8GB
bandwidth, 1processor doesn't slow down the other one. 400mhz
DDR memory, AGP 8x Pro, 133mhz PCI-X slots. Hypertransport. Serial
ATA. 1.5GB/s bandwidth. independent interfaces to each drive. Rest
of the i/o - high performance. optical digital i/o and analog i/o,
fw800 ,usb 2.0
Single/Dual processors. Up to 8GB Memory. Can talk to mem @
6.4GB/s. 4x Superdrive in each. Geforce fx5200 in lower, radeon
9600 pro in higher mode.
Introduced Dr. Johnny Kelly the 3rd on stage.
This is a new generation architecture.
Massivly parallel. Up to 250 inflight instructions. -- can be
processed at the same time. The G4 can do 16. Floating point
"monster". Two fully symetric integer units. massive branch
prediction logic.
fastest front sidebus - ever. designed for dual processor systems.
We're calling it the G5. It is a 64-bit processor. The first first
64-bit desktop processor. Runs our existing 32-bit apps no
problems.
The Chip - we turned to IBM several years ago.
The Chip, the System, The Product
We are delivering today - the Worlds Fastest Personal Computer.
Click to expand...
--
Bob Poole
 
charlibob said:
Warren Liebman said:
in reverse order

1.6GHz $1999 1.8GHz $2399 Dual 2GHz $2999
Enclosures! 9 fans!. but quieter,
System - G5 System Controller - dedicated bandwidth to each
subsystem. IBM is fabricating it. 6x faster than G4, 8GB
bandwidth, 1processor doesn't slow down the other one. 400mhz
DDR memory, AGP 8x Pro, 133mhz PCI-X slots. Hypertransport. Serial
ATA. 1.5GB/s bandwidth. independent interfaces to each drive. Rest
of the i/o - high performance. optical digital i/o and analog i/o,
fw800 ,usb 2.0
Single/Dual processors. Up to 8GB Memory. Can talk to mem @
6.4GB/s. 4x Superdrive in each. Geforce fx5200 in lower, radeon
9600 pro in higher mode.
Introduced Dr. Johnny Kelly the 3rd on stage.
This is a new generation architecture.
Massivly parallel. Up to 250 inflight instructions. -- can be
processed at the same time. The G4 can do 16. Floating point
"monster". Two fully symetric integer units. massive branch
prediction logic.
fastest front sidebus - ever. designed for dual processor systems.
We're calling it the G5. It is a 64-bit processor. The first first
64-bit desktop processor. Runs our existing 32-bit apps no
problems.
The Chip - we turned to IBM several years ago.
The Chip, the System, The Product
We are delivering today - the Worlds Fastest Personal Computer.
Click to expand...
--
Bob Poole
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They ran the SPEC tests under Linux. Apples actually use OS X and Dells use Windows. So it was like comparing two systems that no-one will actually be able to buy.
 
take it with a grain of salt.

yes..its the fastest MAC ever

fastest personal computer...no
 
Todd said:
take it with a grain of salt.
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Always.
Member said:
yes..its the fastest MAC ever
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By a large margin.
Member said:
fastest personal computer...no
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So sure, are you?

I think it's a little early to draw conclusions. The benchmarks may have been manipulated (what a surprise!), but benchmarks are generally pretty useless anyway.

The real-world tests Apple demonstrated were far more impressive. Photoshop actions, 3D rendering, and statistical number-crunching were twice as fast as the dual-Xeon Dell. Was the Dell set up in the optimum configuration? I don't know. We'll have to wait until the G5s start shipping for some independent tests. What is clear, though, is that we finally have a real race.

--
'May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.' -
Dwight D. Eisenhower
 
Alphas aren't being sold anymore, anyway, so it's no wonder Microsoft don't support it.

Some of the Alpha's main design ideas are still very much alive in the Athlon and Opteron, though (also designed by Dirk Meyer).
 
Majikthize said:
The real-world tests Apple demonstrated were far more impressive.
Photoshop actions, 3D rendering, and statistical number-crunching
were twice as fast as the dual-Xeon Dell. Was the Dell set up in
the optimum configuration? I don't know. We'll have to wait until
the G5s start shipping for some independent tests. What is clear,
though, is that we finally have a real race.
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I think it is important to mention that the Photoshop demo started
by loading a 360MB image. The Mac clearly loaded it faster than
the Dell but they didn't mention what the disk sub-system was on
the Dell. The Mac was using serial ATA, and I'd be willing to bet
the Dell was using IDE rather than multiple ultra-wide 10K SCSI
disks :-)

Once the image was loaded, the Mac was noticeably faster
than the Dell, but certainly not 2x as fast.

I like the new Macs, and when its combined with the features of
OS X it looks a lot nicer than an Intel box with XP. The big question
is whether it is worth $3K.

--rick
 
I had a 'Baby' Alpha 6 years ago running both NT and Linux. It was the size of a phone book for a city of 100,000 and had a dirt slow IDE drive so I'm reasonably sure it wasn't a server.

--rick
brooksw said:
Ashot Petrosyan said:
It is not by any measure the 'world's fastest PC' the results where
skewed strongly in Apple's favor, neither is it the 'world's first
64 bit PC'.. those have been around for years
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