Need some professional advice regarding this camera-

BostelJ · Sep 2, 2014

It seems that there's some questioning as to how far I've gone out of my way to find the owner, and to keep it just because it has "value". Some even describing me of what many would interpret to be a thief.

First of all, how many people would have done any length of measure to find the owner to this camera at all? It seems to me the what I've done so far is considered rare compared to other people who would have been happy to take the camera even if the owner was standing right by it. Unfortunately the number of people who would have taken that camera without any effort to do "the right thing" is greatly outweighed by the number of people who would have.

Also, I've not given up searching for the owner. I have checked the EXIF files and searched numerous websites online, I have had no luck. The owner doesn't seem like the photographer, more of an archaeologist, maybe even teacher. Or just interested in history? The owner seemed to be retired. The pictures are of Indian rock wall paintings, I'm guessing in Colorado. In one of the pictures there is a sporty BMW, sporty Lexus, and a new Chrysler, there were no pictures of people. Just rocks, occasionally with those cars in the background.

I have left my information for the State Park, but recently I found out that unfortunately the part of the beach that I was at was public. And not part of the State Park. However they had agreed to contact me if any request for a Canon G15 was made. That further investigation would be done from my aspect to make sure it was the right owner.

I'll continue to find anymore information regarding this. But in the mean time, is there any harm in using a different SD card and learning a bit of photography? The reason I was asking questions about it is because I would like to know if it was professional enough to learn photography on.

Thanks,

Josh

tedolf · Sep 2, 2014

BostelJ said:
It seems that there's some questioning as to how far I've gone out of my way to find the owner,

it doesn't matter how much effort you have made. It is not yours and it is unethical for you to keep it. That is why public places and conveyances have, "lost and founds". You are supposed to take things that you find in public places to the related lost and found.

This is one of the basic fundamental civilities that makes us different from the animals.

Have you ever heard of "finders keepers"? We make fun of this is a children's idea that you are supposed to grow out of when you are about five to six years old.

Is this really a new idea to you?

BostelJ said:
and to keep it just because it has "value". Some even describing me of what many would interpret to be a thief.

Hey, you are the only person here who used that word. Feeling guilty?

BostelJ said:
First of all, how many people would have done any length of measure to find the owner to this camera at all?

All of us who were raised properly.

BostelJ said:
It seems to me the what I've done so far is considered rare

to whom?

BostelJ said:
compared to other people who would have been happy to take the camera even if the owner was standing right by it.

Really? What kind of neiborhood did you grow up in?

BostelJ said:
Unfortunately the number of people who would have taken that camera without any effort to do "the right thing" is greatly outweighed by the number of people who would have.

You have a warped sense of your fellow man's morality. Perhaps you are projecting?

BostelJ said:
Also, I've not given up searching for the owner. I have checked the EXIF files and searched numerous websites online, I have had no luck. The owner doesn't seem like the photographer, more of an archaeologist, maybe even teacher. Or just interested in history? The owner seemed to be retired. The pictures are of Indian rock wall paintings, I'm guessing in Colorado. In one of the pictures there is a sporty BMW, sporty Lexus, and a new Chrysler, there were no pictures of people. Just rocks, occasionally with those cars in the background.

Really it is easy. If it is a public park just call the superintendent's office and give them the serial no.

BostelJ said:
I have left my information for the State Park,

Intersting that you didn't say that in your origianl post. Just that you wanted to know what it was "worth", whether it could take "professional" photo's or whether you should just "sell it".

Doesn't sound like you were expecting a call from the State Park (if that is actually where you found it) now does it?

BostelJ said:
but recently I found out that unfortunately the part of the beach that I was at was public.

Good! Then there is some public agency that is in charge of it. You can give them the camera.

Wait a minute, if it wasn't a State Park, then how could you have left your "information" with them?

BostelJ said:
And not part of the State Park. However they had agreed to contact me if any request for a Canon G15 was made.

Then why did you ask us if you should "sell" it?

BostelJ said:
That further investigation would be done from my aspect to make sure it was the right owner.

I'll continue to find anymore information regarding this. But in the mean time, is there any harm in using a different SD card and learning a bit of photography? The reason I was asking questions about it is because I would like to know if it was professional enough to learn photography on.

Thanks,

Josh

Here is the problem Josh, once someone starts fabricating things and then changing their sotry they have to be really carefull to keep everything consistent and figure out in advance how to explain away the inconsistencies.

They have to be really clever.

Tedolph

Doss · Sep 2, 2014

Bostelj - As much as I usually have the complete polar opinion to Tedolf (

in matters of photographic advice), I have to say I can understand his reasoning here.

In fairness, to know so little of you & your story it is unreasonable to state you are dishonest. However, as you have registered your name and it was only just under a week ago (I didn't read the timescale earlier) this really is a very short time to give up and start thinking it's yours. Give it, say, one month - then maybe start thinking of it as yours, but being mindful it may soon not be. In the meantime I don't think the owner will be too miffed if you take a few pics whilst you look after it.

I'd also bare in mind someone with a sporty BMW, sporty Lexus, and a new Chrysler may offer handsome rewards!

BostelJ · Sep 2, 2014

Hello Tedolph, I'm glad you've kept such an interest in my forum post.

tedolf said:
BostelJ said:

It seems that there's some questioning as to how far I've gone out of my way to find the owner,

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it doesn't matter how much effort you have made. It is not yours and it is unethical for you to keep it. That is why public places and conveyances have, "lost and founds". You are supposed to take things that you find in public places to the related lost and found.

This is one of the basic fundamental civilities that makes us different from the animals.

Have you ever heard of "finders keepers"? We make fun of this is a children's idea that you are supposed to grow out of when you are about five to six years old.

Is this really a new idea to you?

See it would be considered immature of me to argue with you on a forum that is really supposed to be about helping beginner photographers. I'm sorry that I've disturbed you in such away that your anger has shown through on the internet, towards someone you even know, and more specifically on a forum that as I stated before is about helping beginner photographers. Have you ever heard of "being nice"? We have have these things called "rehabilitation centers" and "anger management" facilities. This surely cannot be a new idea to you.

But back to the point, the public beach does not have a lost and found. It is however on the borders of a State park, which does not have a lost in found, but however has rangers which can and have already helped me.

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

and to keep it just because it has "value". Some even describing me of what many would interpret to be a thief.

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Hey, you are the only person here who used that word. Feeling guilty?

Not really. I clearly stated in the post that I could be interpreted as one, due to some of your posts.

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

First of all, how many people would have done any length of measure to find the owner to this camera at all?

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All of us who were raised properly.

You mean most kids today are being raised correctly? It seems that is one of the bigger concerns of America right now. Kids are not being raised correctly, it is a serious problem.

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

It seems to me the what I've done so far is considered rare

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to whom?

To everyone. Especially those who realize what a problem this is.

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

compared to other people who would have been happy to take the camera even if the owner was standing right by it.

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Really? What kind of neiborhood did you grow up in?

Toledo. You don't have to leave things at beaches to get them stolen from you. you could be working on the roof of your garage and have a drill stolen from you. Or you could be sleeping and someone could attempt to steal something inside. All of which has happened to me.

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

Unfortunately the number of people who would have taken that camera without any effort to do "the right thing" is greatly outweighed by the number of people who would have.

Click to expand...

You have a warped sense of your fellow man's morality. Perhaps you are projecting?

Theft is at an up rise, the economy is on a landslide, and unfortunately morality is forgotten by many people. Specifically in certain areas. What kind of neighborhood did you grow up in?

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

Also, I've not given up searching for the owner. I have checked the EXIF files and searched numerous websites online, I have had no luck. The owner doesn't seem like the photographer, more of an archaeologist, maybe even teacher. Or just interested in history? The owner seemed to be retired. The pictures are of Indian rock wall paintings, I'm guessing in Colorado. In one of the pictures there is a sporty BMW, sporty Lexus, and a new Chrysler, there were no pictures of people. Just rocks, occasionally with those cars in the background.

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Really it is easy. If it is a public park just call the superintendent's office and give them the serial no.

The park has no such thing.

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

I have left my information for the State Park,

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Intersting that you didn't say that in your origianl post. Just that you wanted to know what it was "worth", whether it could take "professional" photo's or whether you should just "sell it".

Doesn't sound like you were expecting a call from the State Park (if that is actually where you found it) now does it?

Unless otherwise pronounced. It's not like I'm going to keep the camera if I do find the owners.

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

but recently I found out that unfortunately the part of the beach that I was at was public.

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Good! Then there is some public agency that is in charge of it. You can give them the camera.

Wait a minute, if it wasn't a State Park, then how could you have left your "information" with them?

There are no public agencies in charge of it. Because the State Park borders the public beach.

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

And not part of the State Park. However they had agreed to contact me if any request for a Canon G15 was made.

Click to expand...

Then why did you ask us if you should "sell" it?

I was solely asking for the opinion of professional photographers regarding if it was good for learning. I had plans to wait months if not years before selling the camera, just in case. Selling it however is not what I have in mind anyways. I agree with some of the posters on here and I have no intention of doing so.

tedolf said:
tedolf said:

That further investigation would be done from my aspect to make sure it was the right owner.

I'll continue to find anymore information regarding this. But in the mean time, is there any harm in using a different SD card and learning a bit of photography? The reason I was asking questions about it is because I would like to know if it was professional enough to learn photography on.

Thanks,

Josh

Click to expand...

Here is the problem Josh, once someone starts fabricating things and then changing their sotry they have to be really carefull to keep everything consistent and figure out in advance how to explain away the inconsistencies.

They have to be really clever.

Tedolph

Thank you for your comment Tedolph, I respect what you have to say, honestly, but I really don't want to start an argument. This is not the place for it.

Josh

BostelJ · Sep 2, 2014

Doss said:
Bostelj - As much as I usually have the complete polar opinion to Tedolf ( in matters of photographic advice), I have to say I can understand his reasoning here.

In fairness, to know so little of you & your story it is unreasonable to state you are dishonest. However, as you have registered your name and it was only just under a week ago (I didn't read the timescale earlier) this really is a very short time to give up and start thinking it's yours. Give it, say, one month - then maybe start thinking of it as yours, but being mindful it may soon not be. In the meantime I don't think the owner will be too miffed if you take a few pics whilst you look after it.

I'd also bare in mind someone with a sporty BMW, sporty Lexus, and a new Chrysler may offer handsome rewards!

I agree completely. I've even cleaned it, it had been covered in sand from the beach. I understand that I cannot call this mine quite yet, in fact I planned on waited longer than a month.

Thanks Doss,

Josh

yardcoyote · Sep 2, 2014

If it were my camera, you would be more than welcome to shoot with it. Keep the SD card in a safe place, keep the serial number and other information where you can get at it, and if you get any more brain waves about places to search,, or any more good ideas from the posters here, then follow through on them conscientiously.

That said, and trying to speak practically, this is not an expensive camera worth thousands of dollars. While I'm sure its owner would like to have it back, it's quite possible that he or she has already written it off as a loss and given up any active search. That doesn't mean you can give up entirely on your end--you still have an ethical obligation to try to return lost property to its owner or to give it to a responsible party. If you had found the camera in a restaurant or a public area of a hotel or theatre, you would have turned it in to the desk. Finding it in an unorganized place is a bit more problematic and what you can do is limited.

In the end, your ethical decisions are up to you. Many cameras dissapear into lost and found boxes every year and never take another picture. If you decide, hopefully after another serious effort to find the owner, that as the custodian of this camera you are going to use it, then be the best custodian you can be-- take excellent care of the camera and learn everything you can from it.

tedolf · Sep 3, 2014

BostelJ said:
Hello Tedolph, I'm glad you've kept such an interest in my forum post.

tedolf said:

BostelJ said:

It seems that there's some questioning as to how far I've gone out of my way to find the owner,

Click to expand...

it doesn't matter how much effort you have made. It is not yours and it is unethical for you to keep it. That is why public places and conveyances have, "lost and founds". You are supposed to take things that you find in public places to the related lost and found.

This is one of the basic fundamental civilities that makes us different from the animals.

Have you ever heard of "finders keepers"? We make fun of this is a children's idea that you are supposed to grow out of when you are about five to six years old.

Is this really a new idea to you?

Click to expand...

See it would be considered immature of me to argue with you on a forum that is really supposed to be about helping beginner photographers. I'm sorry that I've disturbed you in such away that your anger has shown through on the internet, towards someone you even know, and more specifically on a forum that as I stated before is about helping beginner photographers. Have you ever heard of "being nice"? We have have these things called "rehabilitation centers" and "anger management" facilities. This surely cannot be a new idea to you.

But back to the point, the public beach does not have a lost and found. It is however on the borders of a State park, which does not have a lost in found, but however has rangers which can and have already helped me.

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

and to keep it just because it has "value". Some even describing me of what many would interpret to be a thief.

Click to expand...

Hey, you are the only person here who used that word. Feeling guilty?

Click to expand...

Not really. I clearly stated in the post that I could be interpreted as one, due to some of your posts.

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

First of all, how many people would have done any length of measure to find the owner to this camera at all?

Click to expand...

All of us who were raised properly.

Click to expand...

You mean most kids today are being raised correctly? It seems that is one of the bigger concerns of America right now. Kids are not being raised correctly, it is a serious problem.

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

It seems to me the what I've done so far is considered rare

Click to expand...

to whom?

Click to expand...

To everyone. Especially those who realize what a problem this is.

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

compared to other people who would have been happy to take the camera even if the owner was standing right by it.

Click to expand...

Really? What kind of neiborhood did you grow up in?

Click to expand...

Toledo. You don't have to leave things at beaches to get them stolen from you. you could be working on the roof of your garage and have a drill stolen from you. Or you could be sleeping and someone could attempt to steal something inside. All of which has happened to me.

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

Unfortunately the number of people who would have taken that camera without any effort to do "the right thing" is greatly outweighed by the number of people who would have.

Click to expand...

You have a warped sense of your fellow man's morality. Perhaps you are projecting?

Click to expand...

Theft is at an up rise, the economy is on a landslide, and unfortunately morality is forgotten by many people. Specifically in certain areas. What kind of neighborhood did you grow up in?

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

Also, I've not given up searching for the owner. I have checked the EXIF files and searched numerous websites online, I have had no luck. The owner doesn't seem like the photographer, more of an archaeologist, maybe even teacher. Or just interested in history? The owner seemed to be retired. The pictures are of Indian rock wall paintings, I'm guessing in Colorado. In one of the pictures there is a sporty BMW, sporty Lexus, and a new Chrysler, there were no pictures of people. Just rocks, occasionally with those cars in the background.

Click to expand...

Really it is easy. If it is a public park just call the superintendent's office and give them the serial no.

Click to expand...

The park has no such thing.

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

I have left my information for the State Park,

Click to expand...

Intersting that you didn't say that in your origianl post. Just that you wanted to know what it was "worth", whether it could take "professional" photo's or whether you should just "sell it".

Doesn't sound like you were expecting a call from the State Park (if that is actually where you found it) now does it?

Click to expand...

Unless otherwise pronounced. It's not like I'm going to keep the camera if I do find the owners.

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

but recently I found out that unfortunately the part of the beach that I was at was public.

Click to expand...

Good! Then there is some public agency that is in charge of it. You can give them the camera.

Wait a minute, if it wasn't a State Park, then how could you have left your "information" with them?

Click to expand...

There are no public agencies in charge of it. Because the State Park borders the public beach.

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

And not part of the State Park. However they had agreed to contact me if any request for a Canon G15 was made.

Click to expand...

Then why did you ask us if you should "sell" it?

Click to expand...

I was solely asking for the opinion of professional photographers regarding if it was good for learning. I had plans to wait months if not years before selling the camera, just in case. Selling it however is not what I have in mind anyways. I agree with some of the posters on here and I have no intention of doing so.

BostelJ said:

BostelJ said:

That further investigation would be done from my aspect to make sure it was the right owner.

I'll continue to find anymore information regarding this. But in the mean time, is there any harm in using a different SD card and learning a bit of photography? The reason I was asking questions about it is because I would like to know if it was professional enough to learn photography on.

Thanks,

Josh

Click to expand...

Here is the problem Josh, once someone starts fabricating things and then changing their sotry they have to be really carefull to keep everything consistent and figure out in advance how to explain away the inconsistencies.

They have to be really clever.

Tedolph

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Thank you for your comment Tedolph, I respect what you have to say, honestly, but I really don't want to start an argument. This is not the place for it.

Josh

most of us here have lost a camera. The loss of the hardware was bearable. What was not was the loss of the film and the images. We all made efforts to find that camera, calling the resort or hotel we stayed at, went to lost and found, etc. The idea that someone would not turn the camera in is simply unacceptable to us.

Also, I am quite familiar with Toledo and northern Ohio. Now I know why you think most people would not return it!

As for any perceived allegations, you have my apology.

Tedolph

TTMartin · Sep 3, 2014

tedolf said:
BostelJ said:

Hello Tedolph, I'm glad you've kept such an interest in my forum post.

tedolf said:

BostelJ said:

It seems that there's some questioning as to how far I've gone out of my way to find the owner,

Click to expand...

it doesn't matter how much effort you have made. It is not yours and it is unethical for you to keep it. That is why public places and conveyances have, "lost and founds". You are supposed to take things that you find in public places to the related lost and found.

This is one of the basic fundamental civilities that makes us different from the animals.

Have you ever heard of "finders keepers"? We make fun of this is a children's idea that you are supposed to grow out of when you are about five to six years old.

Is this really a new idea to you?

Click to expand...

See it would be considered immature of me to argue with you on a forum that is really supposed to be about helping beginner photographers. I'm sorry that I've disturbed you in such away that your anger has shown through on the internet, towards someone you even know, and more specifically on a forum that as I stated before is about helping beginner photographers. Have you ever heard of "being nice"? We have have these things called "rehabilitation centers" and "anger management" facilities. This surely cannot be a new idea to you.

But back to the point, the public beach does not have a lost and found. It is however on the borders of a State park, which does not have a lost in found, but however has rangers which can and have already helped me.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

and to keep it just because it has "value". Some even describing me of what many would interpret to be a thief.

Click to expand...

Hey, you are the only person here who used that word. Feeling guilty?

Click to expand...

Not really. I clearly stated in the post that I could be interpreted as one, due to some of your posts.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

First of all, how many people would have done any length of measure to find the owner to this camera at all?

Click to expand...

All of us who were raised properly.

Click to expand...

You mean most kids today are being raised correctly? It seems that is one of the bigger concerns of America right now. Kids are not being raised correctly, it is a serious problem.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

It seems to me the what I've done so far is considered rare

Click to expand...

to whom?

Click to expand...

To everyone. Especially those who realize what a problem this is.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

compared to other people who would have been happy to take the camera even if the owner was standing right by it.

Click to expand...

Really? What kind of neiborhood did you grow up in?

Click to expand...

Toledo. You don't have to leave things at beaches to get them stolen from you. you could be working on the roof of your garage and have a drill stolen from you. Or you could be sleeping and someone could attempt to steal something inside. All of which has happened to me.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

Unfortunately the number of people who would have taken that camera without any effort to do "the right thing" is greatly outweighed by the number of people who would have.

Click to expand...

You have a warped sense of your fellow man's morality. Perhaps you are projecting?

Click to expand...

Theft is at an up rise, the economy is on a landslide, and unfortunately morality is forgotten by many people. Specifically in certain areas. What kind of neighborhood did you grow up in?

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

Also, I've not given up searching for the owner. I have checked the EXIF files and searched numerous websites online, I have had no luck. The owner doesn't seem like the photographer, more of an archaeologist, maybe even teacher. Or just interested in history? The owner seemed to be retired. The pictures are of Indian rock wall paintings, I'm guessing in Colorado. In one of the pictures there is a sporty BMW, sporty Lexus, and a new Chrysler, there were no pictures of people. Just rocks, occasionally with those cars in the background.

Click to expand...

Really it is easy. If it is a public park just call the superintendent's office and give them the serial no.

Click to expand...

The park has no such thing.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

I have left my information for the State Park,

Click to expand...

Intersting that you didn't say that in your origianl post. Just that you wanted to know what it was "worth", whether it could take "professional" photo's or whether you should just "sell it".

Doesn't sound like you were expecting a call from the State Park (if that is actually where you found it) now does it?

Click to expand...

Unless otherwise pronounced. It's not like I'm going to keep the camera if I do find the owners.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

but recently I found out that unfortunately the part of the beach that I was at was public.

Click to expand...

Good! Then there is some public agency that is in charge of it. You can give them the camera.

Wait a minute, if it wasn't a State Park, then how could you have left your "information" with them?

Click to expand...

There are no public agencies in charge of it. Because the State Park borders the public beach.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

And not part of the State Park. However they had agreed to contact me if any request for a Canon G15 was made.

Click to expand...

Then why did you ask us if you should "sell" it?

Click to expand...

I was solely asking for the opinion of professional photographers regarding if it was good for learning. I had plans to wait months if not years before selling the camera, just in case. Selling it however is not what I have in mind anyways. I agree with some of the posters on here and I have no intention of doing so.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

That further investigation would be done from my aspect to make sure it was the right owner.

I'll continue to find anymore information regarding this. But in the mean time, is there any harm in using a different SD card and learning a bit of photography? The reason I was asking questions about it is because I would like to know if it was professional enough to learn photography on.

Click to expand...

Here is the problem Josh, once someone starts fabricating things and then changing their sotry they have to be really carefull to keep everything consistent and figure out in advance how to explain away the inconsistencies.

They have to be really clever.

Click to expand...

Thank you for your comment Tedolph, I respect what you have to say, honestly, but I really don't want to start an argument. This is not the place for it.

Click to expand...

most of us here have lost a camera. The loss of the hardware was bearable. What was not was the loss of the film and the images. We all made efforts to find that camera, calling the resort or hotel we stayed at, went to lost and found, etc. The idea that someone would not turn the camera in is simply unacceptable to us.

Also, I am quite familiar with Toledo and northern Ohio. Now I know why you think most people would not return it!

I'm from Northern Ohio, and quite offended by that comment.

If it were me I would use one of these programs to find the owner.

stolencamerafinder

CameraTrace Finds Your Stolen Camera by Monitoring Photos Shared Online

And if the OP (Josh) makes available a photo with the full EXIF data I'd even pay the fee myself and locate the owner for him.

As for the OP justifying to himself that the owner is well to do because it was rock photos and expensive cars. Those just as easily could have been taken by a student or geology hobbyist, and the car photos were simply of cars they thought were cool.

tedolf said:
As for any perceived allegations, you have my apology.

Will see if the OP really wants to find the owner, and takes me up on my offer. I suspect your apology may be premature.

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The opinions expressed are not representations of fact, and are subject to change without notice.
All images are used for educational purposes.

tedolf · Sep 3, 2014

TTMartin said:
tedolf said:

BostelJ said:

Hello Tedolph, I'm glad you've kept such an interest in my forum post.

tedolf said:

BostelJ said:

It seems that there's some questioning as to how far I've gone out of my way to find the owner,

Click to expand...

it doesn't matter how much effort you have made. It is not yours and it is unethical for you to keep it. That is why public places and conveyances have, "lost and founds". You are supposed to take things that you find in public places to the related lost and found.

This is one of the basic fundamental civilities that makes us different from the animals.

Have you ever heard of "finders keepers"? We make fun of this is a children's idea that you are supposed to grow out of when you are about five to six years old.

Is this really a new idea to you?

Click to expand...

See it would be considered immature of me to argue with you on a forum that is really supposed to be about helping beginner photographers. I'm sorry that I've disturbed you in such away that your anger has shown through on the internet, towards someone you even know, and more specifically on a forum that as I stated before is about helping beginner photographers. Have you ever heard of "being nice"? We have have these things called "rehabilitation centers" and "anger management" facilities. This surely cannot be a new idea to you.

But back to the point, the public beach does not have a lost and found. It is however on the borders of a State park, which does not have a lost in found, but however has rangers which can and have already helped me.

TTMartin said:

TTMartin said:

and to keep it just because it has "value". Some even describing me of what many would interpret to be a thief.

Click to expand...

Hey, you are the only person here who used that word. Feeling guilty?

Click to expand...

Not really. I clearly stated in the post that I could be interpreted as one, due to some of your posts.

TTMartin said:

TTMartin said:

First of all, how many people would have done any length of measure to find the owner to this camera at all?

Click to expand...

All of us who were raised properly.

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You mean most kids today are being raised correctly? It seems that is one of the bigger concerns of America right now. Kids are not being raised correctly, it is a serious problem.

TTMartin said:

TTMartin said:

It seems to me the what I've done so far is considered rare

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to whom?

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To everyone. Especially those who realize what a problem this is.

TTMartin said:

TTMartin said:

compared to other people who would have been happy to take the camera even if the owner was standing right by it.

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Really? What kind of neiborhood did you grow up in?

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Toledo. You don't have to leave things at beaches to get them stolen from you. you could be working on the roof of your garage and have a drill stolen from you. Or you could be sleeping and someone could attempt to steal something inside. All of which has happened to me.

TTMartin said:

TTMartin said:

Unfortunately the number of people who would have taken that camera without any effort to do "the right thing" is greatly outweighed by the number of people who would have.

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You have a warped sense of your fellow man's morality. Perhaps you are projecting?

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Theft is at an up rise, the economy is on a landslide, and unfortunately morality is forgotten by many people. Specifically in certain areas. What kind of neighborhood did you grow up in?

TTMartin said:

TTMartin said:

Also, I've not given up searching for the owner. I have checked the EXIF files and searched numerous websites online, I have had no luck. The owner doesn't seem like the photographer, more of an archaeologist, maybe even teacher. Or just interested in history? The owner seemed to be retired. The pictures are of Indian rock wall paintings, I'm guessing in Colorado. In one of the pictures there is a sporty BMW, sporty Lexus, and a new Chrysler, there were no pictures of people. Just rocks, occasionally with those cars in the background.

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Really it is easy. If it is a public park just call the superintendent's office and give them the serial no.

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The park has no such thing.

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TTMartin said:

I have left my information for the State Park,

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Intersting that you didn't say that in your origianl post. Just that you wanted to know what it was "worth", whether it could take "professional" photo's or whether you should just "sell it".

Doesn't sound like you were expecting a call from the State Park (if that is actually where you found it) now does it?

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Unless otherwise pronounced. It's not like I'm going to keep the camera if I do find the owners.

TTMartin said:

TTMartin said:

but recently I found out that unfortunately the part of the beach that I was at was public.

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Good! Then there is some public agency that is in charge of it. You can give them the camera.

Wait a minute, if it wasn't a State Park, then how could you have left your "information" with them?

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There are no public agencies in charge of it. Because the State Park borders the public beach.

TTMartin said:

TTMartin said:

And not part of the State Park. However they had agreed to contact me if any request for a Canon G15 was made.

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Then why did you ask us if you should "sell" it?

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I was solely asking for the opinion of professional photographers regarding if it was good for learning. I had plans to wait months if not years before selling the camera, just in case. Selling it however is not what I have in mind anyways. I agree with some of the posters on here and I have no intention of doing so.

TTMartin said:

TTMartin said:

That further investigation would be done from my aspect to make sure it was the right owner.

I'll continue to find anymore information regarding this. But in the mean time, is there any harm in using a different SD card and learning a bit of photography? The reason I was asking questions about it is because I would like to know if it was professional enough to learn photography on.

Thanks,

Josh

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Here is the problem Josh, once someone starts fabricating things and then changing their sotry they have to be really carefull to keep everything consistent and figure out in advance how to explain away the inconsistencies.

They have to be really clever.

Tedolph

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Thank you for your comment Tedolph, I respect what you have to say, honestly, but I really don't want to start an argument. This is not the place for it.

Josh

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most of us here have lost a camera. The loss of the hardware was bearable. What was not was the loss of the film and the images. We all made efforts to find that camera, calling the resort or hotel we stayed at, went to lost and found, etc. The idea that someone would not turn the camera in is simply unacceptable to us.

Also, I am quite familiar with Toledo and northern Ohio. Now I know why you think most people would not return it!

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I'm from Northern Ohio, and quite offended by that comment.

I forgot to add the emoticon;-) . I am from Cleveland.

Let's not take things so seriously, OK?

TTMartin said:
If it were me I would use one of these programs to find the owner.

stolencamerafinder

CameraTrace Finds Your Stolen Camera by Monitoring Photos Shared Online

And if the OP makes available a photo with the full EXIF data I'd even pay the fee myself and locate the owner for him.

As for the OP justifying to himself that the owner is well to do because it was rock photos and expensive cars. Those just as easily could have been taken by a student or geology hobbyist, and the car photos were simply of cars they thought were cool.

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As for any perceived allegations, you have my apology.

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Will see if the OP really wants to find the owner, and takes me up on my offer. I suspect your apology may be premature.

tko · Sep 3, 2014

What do you think the hotel with do with it if the owner doesn't claim it?

Where's there's one hotel, there's two. You can't send it to both. Instead, send the local hotels a note, perhaps an email, and hold back some info that could be used to ID the camera.

I was in the same position. Money left on top of an ATM. I ran up and down the street, finally contacted the bank but they couldn't help. Turns out they subcontract all the ATM stuff, and couldn't access the transaction history. They wanted to keep the money in case some random person asked for it back.

Right.

I left a note w/my contact info and kept the money. Went back 10 days later, they'd forgotten about me, didn't have a clue.What do you think would have happened if I'd left the money?

Guess I could have donated it to charity, that might have been more ethical.

tedolf said:
Did you find it near a hotel or resort? If so send it to that hotel or resort. The owner will probably be contacting them once he remembers where he lost it to see if someone turned it in.

tedolf · Sep 3, 2014

tko said:
What do you think the hotel with do with it if the owner doesn't claim it?

I had something returned to me from a Hotel when I returned two years later!

tko said:
Where's there's one hotel, there's two. You can't send it to both. Instead, send the local hotels a note, perhaps an email, and hold back some info that could be used to ID the camera.

Serial no. is usually enough and model. Keep color information if you want.

tko said:
I was in the same position. Money left on top of an ATM. I ran up and down the street, finally contacted the bank but they couldn't help. Turns out they subcontract all the ATM stuff, and couldn't access the transaction history. They wanted to keep the money in case some random person asked for it back.

Right.

I left a note w/my contact info and kept the money. Went back 10 days later, they'd forgotten about me, didn't have a clue.What do you think would have happened if I'd left the money?

apples and oranges. Money is fungible and impersonal, cameras and the images therein are not.

tko said:
Guess I could have donated it to charity, that might have been more ethical.

yes, far more ethical

tko said:
tko said:

Did you find it near a hotel or resort? If so send it to that hotel or resort. The owner will probably be contacting them once he remembers where he lost it to see if someone turned it in.

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Correct.

TEdolph

BostelJ · Sep 3, 2014

tedolf said:
BostelJ said:

Hello Tedolph, I'm glad you've kept such an interest in my forum post.

tedolf said:

BostelJ said:

It seems that there's some questioning as to how far I've gone out of my way to find the owner,

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it doesn't matter how much effort you have made. It is not yours and it is unethical for you to keep it. That is why public places and conveyances have, "lost and founds". You are supposed to take things that you find in public places to the related lost and found.

This is one of the basic fundamental civilities that makes us different from the animals.

Have you ever heard of "finders keepers"? We make fun of this is a children's idea that you are supposed to grow out of when you are about five to six years old.

Is this really a new idea to you?

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See it would be considered immature of me to argue with you on a forum that is really supposed to be about helping beginner photographers. I'm sorry that I've disturbed you in such away that your anger has shown through on the internet, towards someone you even know, and more specifically on a forum that as I stated before is about helping beginner photographers. Have you ever heard of "being nice"? We have have these things called "rehabilitation centers" and "anger management" facilities. This surely cannot be a new idea to you.

But back to the point, the public beach does not have a lost and found. It is however on the borders of a State park, which does not have a lost in found, but however has rangers which can and have already helped me.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

and to keep it just because it has "value". Some even describing me of what many would interpret to be a thief.

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Hey, you are the only person here who used that word. Feeling guilty?

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Not really. I clearly stated in the post that I could be interpreted as one, due to some of your posts.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

First of all, how many people would have done any length of measure to find the owner to this camera at all?

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All of us who were raised properly.

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You mean most kids today are being raised correctly? It seems that is one of the bigger concerns of America right now. Kids are not being raised correctly, it is a serious problem.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

It seems to me the what I've done so far is considered rare

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to whom?

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To everyone. Especially those who realize what a problem this is.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

compared to other people who would have been happy to take the camera even if the owner was standing right by it.

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Really? What kind of neiborhood did you grow up in?

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Toledo. You don't have to leave things at beaches to get them stolen from you. you could be working on the roof of your garage and have a drill stolen from you. Or you could be sleeping and someone could attempt to steal something inside. All of which has happened to me.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

Unfortunately the number of people who would have taken that camera without any effort to do "the right thing" is greatly outweighed by the number of people who would have.

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You have a warped sense of your fellow man's morality. Perhaps you are projecting?

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Theft is at an up rise, the economy is on a landslide, and unfortunately morality is forgotten by many people. Specifically in certain areas. What kind of neighborhood did you grow up in?

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

Also, I've not given up searching for the owner. I have checked the EXIF files and searched numerous websites online, I have had no luck. The owner doesn't seem like the photographer, more of an archaeologist, maybe even teacher. Or just interested in history? The owner seemed to be retired. The pictures are of Indian rock wall paintings, I'm guessing in Colorado. In one of the pictures there is a sporty BMW, sporty Lexus, and a new Chrysler, there were no pictures of people. Just rocks, occasionally with those cars in the background.

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Really it is easy. If it is a public park just call the superintendent's office and give them the serial no.

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The park has no such thing.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

I have left my information for the State Park,

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Intersting that you didn't say that in your origianl post. Just that you wanted to know what it was "worth", whether it could take "professional" photo's or whether you should just "sell it".

Doesn't sound like you were expecting a call from the State Park (if that is actually where you found it) now does it?

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Unless otherwise pronounced. It's not like I'm going to keep the camera if I do find the owners.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

but recently I found out that unfortunately the part of the beach that I was at was public.

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Good! Then there is some public agency that is in charge of it. You can give them the camera.

Wait a minute, if it wasn't a State Park, then how could you have left your "information" with them?

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There are no public agencies in charge of it. Because the State Park borders the public beach.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

And not part of the State Park. However they had agreed to contact me if any request for a Canon G15 was made.

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Then why did you ask us if you should "sell" it?

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I was solely asking for the opinion of professional photographers regarding if it was good for learning. I had plans to wait months if not years before selling the camera, just in case. Selling it however is not what I have in mind anyways. I agree with some of the posters on here and I have no intention of doing so.

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

That further investigation would be done from my aspect to make sure it was the right owner.

I'll continue to find anymore information regarding this. But in the mean time, is there any harm in using a different SD card and learning a bit of photography? The reason I was asking questions about it is because I would like to know if it was professional enough to learn photography on.

Thanks,

Josh

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Here is the problem Josh, once someone starts fabricating things and then changing their sotry they have to be really carefull to keep everything consistent and figure out in advance how to explain away the inconsistencies.

They have to be really clever.

Tedolph

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Thank you for your comment Tedolph, I respect what you have to say, honestly, but I really don't want to start an argument. This is not the place for it.

Josh

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most of us here have lost a camera. The loss of the hardware was bearable. What was not was the loss of the film and the images. We all made efforts to find that camera, calling the resort or hotel we stayed at, went to lost and found, etc. The idea that someone would not turn the camera in is simply unacceptable to us.

Also, I am quite familiar with Toledo and northern Ohio. Now I know why you think most people would not return it!

As for any perceived allegations, you have my apology.

Tedolph

Agreed. As I said I respect everything you say, an apology is not needed, I completely understand. I wish you best of luck to you, and to your photography.

Josh

Chuck Lantz · Sep 3, 2014

To keep your conscience clear, I'd suggest keeping the camera rather than selling it. You've already shown your honesty by looking for the owner and posting here. I'd suggest posting in the Canon forums here, and checking Google with search terms such as "lost G15 in _____ area", etc.

Meanwhile, use the camera, after downloading and saving the shots that were on it when you found it. You sort of earned the right to use it, but selling it is not a great idea unless you are willing to pay the sale price to the owner if they ever contact you.

As far as your question goes, yes you can take very high quality shots with it. If the subject and composition is good, you could certainly sell them. For examples of the quality of that camera in the hands of regular owners, check PBase.com in their camera database galleries. There you'll find hundreds of samples shot by G15 owners all over the world.

D Cox · Sep 4, 2014

Ido S said:
D Cox said:

You can probably download the manual from Sony's site.

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No, because it's a Canon camera. So the manual can be downloaded from Canon's website.

Sorry, just a typo.

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