Stealth NEX-7 replacement?

Waltom · Aug 10, 2014

So, the folk over at SAR are telling us that maybe — just maybe — Sony might drop a FF NEX-7 replacement in the chute at PhotoKina.

What I want is an A7000, not a NEX-7Alpha (or whatever). And there's the first problem: what is Sony going to call this beast? A6? Well they'll need to dumb it down and cheapen it down from the A7 if they do. And who wants a dumbed down camera? Except for those folks who bought an A6000?

If there were such a mythical beast as a NEX-7Alpha (my term) it would need to be better than the A6000. That means a better EVF (not hard to do, Sony — see the NEX-7), better AF (well A6000 type AF on a FF sensor), Tri-Navi controls, a horizon sensor, all the inputs that video people want (but Sony never seems to have the real estate to provide). And the sensor better be a corker!

Why not just finally announce the A7000 already? All the added features above but without a FF sensor. And without a hump. Price it at about $1000 as a step up from the A6000 and they'll sell like hotcakes.

Digital Nigel · Aug 10, 2014

Waltom said:
So, the folk over at SAR are telling us that maybe — just maybe — Sony might drop a FF NEX-7 replacement in the chute at PhotoKina.

What I want is an A7000, not a NEX-7Alpha (or whatever). And there's the first problem: what is Sony going to call this beast? A6? Well they'll need to dumb it down and cheapen it down from the A7 if they do. And who wants a dumbed down camera? Except for those folks who bought an A6000?

If there were such a mythical beast as a NEX-7Alpha (my term) it would need to be better than the A6000. That means a better EVF (not hard to do, Sony — see the NEX-7), better AF (well A6000 type AF on a FF sensor), Tri-Navi controls, a horizon sensor, all the inputs that video people want (but Sony never seems to have the real estate to provide). And the sensor better be a corker!

Why not just finally announce the A7000 already? All the added features above but without a FF sensor. And without a hump. Price it at about $1000 as a step up from the A6000 and they'll sell like hotcakes.

Sony could produce an A7000 with the same sensor as the A6000, but with a nicer body, level, better EVF, etc, but I wonder if it would command a big price premium over the a6000? I doubt that it has a better APS-C sensor available this year. I don't see much point in a dumbed-down full-frame A6.

Certainly, when I use my NEX-7 and a6000, I do prefer the older camera's body, level and EVF, but the new camera has a better UI, more features, etc. I'd have paid more for an a7000, but not now I already own an a6000.

jpr2 · Aug 10, 2014

with a rugged, all metal body;
a good (at least as good as in the N-7 mk-I, or better) 2.4 Mpx OLED VF;
1/8000 sec. min. shutter speed;
weather seal;
accurate, as well as quick OSPDAF akin to the a6k's, but not missing as many frames in the fast, dynamic action shooting;
electronic level gauge;

the a6k was not tempting enough for me, esp. as there are no fast, bright primes longer than 55mm - so right now the a6k hangs in a kind of a lens-less limbo; even with zooms the offer is limited, and something like 70-300/4 OSS is not even planned on Sony's horizon

jpr2

PS and yes, with the features as listed above, a rung on the price ladder about $1000 seems perfectly placed

Paul Kersey Photography · Aug 10, 2014

Waltom said:
So, the folk over at SAR are telling us that maybe — just maybe — Sony might drop a FF NEX-7 replacement in the chute at PhotoKina.

What I want is an A7000, not a NEX-7Alpha (or whatever). And there's the first problem: what is Sony going to call this beast? A6? Well they'll need to dumb it down and cheapen it down from the A7 if they do. And who wants a dumbed down camera? Except for those folks who bought an A6000?

If there were such a mythical beast as a NEX-7Alpha (my term) it would need to be better than the A6000. That means a better EVF (not hard to do, Sony — see the NEX-7), better AF (well A6000 type AF on a FF sensor), Tri-Navi controls, a horizon sensor, all the inputs that video people want (but Sony never seems to have the real estate to provide). And the sensor better be a corker!

Why not just finally announce the A7000 already? All the added features above but without a FF sensor. And without a hump. Price it at about $1000 as a step up from the A6000 and they'll sell like hotcakes.

I have just started reading this forum while I await a nex 7 replacement. I am done with APS-C and do hope it features ff sensor.

stevo23 · Aug 10, 2014

Waltom said:
So, the folk over at SAR are telling us that maybe — just maybe — Sony might drop a FF NEX-7 replacement in the chute at PhotoKina.

What I want is an A7000, not a NEX-7Alpha (or whatever). And there's the first problem: what is Sony going to call this beast? A6? Well they'll need to dumb it down and cheapen it down from the A7 if they do. And who wants a dumbed down camera? Except for those folks who bought an A6000?

If there were such a mythical beast as a NEX-7Alpha (my term) it would need to be better than the A6000. That means a better EVF (not hard to do, Sony — see the NEX-7), better AF (well A6000 type AF on a FF sensor), Tri-Navi controls, a horizon sensor, all the inputs that video people want (but Sony never seems to have the real estate to provide). And the sensor better be a corker!

Why not just finally announce the A7000 already? All the added features above but without a FF sensor. And without a hump. Price it at about $1000 as a step up from the A6000 and they'll sell like hotcakes.

What needs are we expecting a NEX7 replacement to fill? IE, what's missing now that we have an A6000 and an A7?

Tuloom · Aug 10, 2014

SAR is cute.

A FF NEX-7 makes precisely no sense. Ultra slow day at the rumor mill.

Digital Nigel · Aug 10, 2014

Paul Kersey Photography said:
Waltom said:

So, the folk over at SAR are telling us that maybe — just maybe — Sony might drop a FF NEX-7 replacement in the chute at PhotoKina.

What I want is an A7000, not a NEX-7Alpha (or whatever). And there's the first problem: what is Sony going to call this beast? A6? Well they'll need to dumb it down and cheapen it down from the A7 if they do. And who wants a dumbed down camera? Except for those folks who bought an A6000?

If there were such a mythical beast as a NEX-7Alpha (my term) it would need to be better than the A6000. That means a better EVF (not hard to do, Sony — see the NEX-7), better AF (well A6000 type AF on a FF sensor), Tri-Navi controls, a horizon sensor, all the inputs that video people want (but Sony never seems to have the real estate to provide). And the sensor better be a corker!

Why not just finally announce the A7000 already? All the added features above but without a FF sensor. And without a hump. Price it at about $1000 as a step up from the A6000 and they'll sell like hotcakes.

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I have just started reading this forum while I await a nex 7 replacement. I am done with APS-C and do hope it features ff sensor.

What are you waiting for? Isn't the A7 the ff NEX-7 replacement? The unanswered question is whether there will be a better APS-C replacement than the a6000.

captura · Aug 10, 2014

jpr2 said:
with a rugged, all metal body;

a good (at least as good as in the N-7 mk-I, or better) 2.4 Mpx OLED VF;

1/8000 sec. min. shutter speed;

weather seal;

accurate, as well as quick OSPDAF akin to the a6k's, but not missing as many frames in the fast, dynamic action shooting;

electronic level gauge;

the a6k was not tempting enough for me, esp. as there are no fast, bright primes longer than 55mm - so right now the a6k hangs in a kind of a lens-less limbo; even with zooms the offer is limited, and something like 70-300/4 OSS is not even planned on Sony's horizon

jpr2

PS and yes, with the features as listed above, a rung on the price ladder about $1000 seems perfectly placed

Skipper494 · Aug 10, 2014

Although I have a D700 FF and a film 6 x 7, I find the NEX 7 totally adequate and I even have enough lenses. I would like a remote that operated from the rear, like my NikonP7000, for wild life use, however.

captura · Aug 10, 2014

I've seen the word Stealth used beside NEX-7 so very many times, by different people, with no well-defined reason why it belongs there, and perhaps with various meanings. I wonder if this is a common-consciousness thing in that it's out there in the ether and some folks are just automatically putting those 2 words together. probably because of it's small size.
- Hmm, something for marketing to ponder?

The New Sony NEX-7 "Stealth" camera!

kdrk888 · Aug 10, 2014

It would be nice if it's a FF e-mount body with better AF and faster FPS. They can name it anything they want. I don't care.

Digital Nigel · Aug 11, 2014

kdrk888 said:
It would be nice if it's a FF e-mount body with better AF and faster FPS. They can name it anything they want. I don't care.

Isn't that the A7 and A7s?

nzmacro · Aug 11, 2014

Skipper494 said:
Although I have a D700 FF and a film 6 x 7, I find the NEX 7 totally adequate and I even have enough lenses. I would like a remote that operated from the rear, like my NikonP7000, for wild life use, however.

That remote issue is the only one I have with the NEX-7. Sony really stuffed that one up for some reason and especially if you want a remote burst, totally impossible. With the old Panasonic at least I could set up on a tripod, move back and fire a burst of shots as a bird came in on a perch. Sony killed it on the NEX-7. Just my little rant for the night ;-)

Oops, still a sore point with me sorry

A6000 would be interesting.

All the best and maybe 1/8,000th would be good as well.

Danny.

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Birds, macro, motor sports.... http://www.birdsinaction.com

Just Kingfisher ..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/96361462@N06/

nevercat · Aug 11, 2014

nzmacro said:
Skipper494 said:

Although I have a D700 FF and a film 6 x 7, I find the NEX 7 totally adequate and I even have enough lenses. I would like a remote that operated from the rear, like my NikonP7000, for wild life use, however.

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That remote issue is the only one I have with the NEX-7. Sony really stuffed that one up for some reason and especially if you want a remote burst, totally impossible. With the old Panasonic at least I could set up on a tripod, move back and fire a burst of shots as bird came in on a perch. Sony killed it on the NEX-7. Just my little rant for the night ;-)

In fact Sony killed it way befor that. The A700 does not have it either for their wireless remote (the wired remote is just a wired shutter button).

nzmacro said:
Oops, still a sore point with me sorry A6000 would be interesting.

I can understand that it is a shortcomming, they should have add a minolta remote port on the Nex7

nzmacro said:
All the best and maybe 1/8,000th would be good as well.

Danny.

--
Birds, macro, motor sports.... http://www.birdsinaction.com

Just Kingfisher ..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/96361462@N06/

nevercat · Aug 11, 2014

Waltom said:
So, the folk over at SAR are telling us that maybe — just maybe — Sony might drop a FF NEX-7 replacement in the chute at PhotoKina.

What I want is an A7000, not a NEX-7Alpha (or whatever). And there's the first problem: what is Sony going to call this beast? A6?

A good name isn't it (but it could also be the A8

Waltom said:
Well they'll need to dumb it down and cheapen it down from the A7 if they do. And who wants a dumbed down camera? Except for those folks who bought an A6000?

Well when the camera get less features and a lower price MANY people will buy that camera for the price only! Can you immagine how good a FF camera will sell if it is launched at $1000?

An other possibility is that the camera has a simpler, smaller (read cheaper) body and no hump, at a slightly lower price range (say $1500 at launch) according to posts here many people will buy it!

Waltom said:
If there were such a mythical beast as a NEX-7Alpha (my term) it would need to be better than the A6000. That means a better EVF (not hard to do, Sony — see the NEX-7),

Ever looked in the A6000 EVF? It is pritty good you know. it updates faster then the EVFs with higher resolutions.

Waltom said:
better AF (well A6000 type AF on a FF sensor), Tri-Navi controls, a horizon sensor, all the inputs that video people want (but Sony never seems to have the real estate to provide).

You want a small camera with this? That is impossible, look at Panasonic GH4, a larger camera, that needs a special interface unit that is larger then the A6000 and costs more then the GH4 (nothing wrong with this unit, just to show that the wishes of the OP are a little out of touch with reality)

Waltom said:
And the sensor better be a corker!

Why not just finally announce the A7000 already?

Who knows what Sony comes with, but I would not hold my breath, as it is said during introduction that the A6000 is the successor to both the Nex 6 & 7.

Waltom said:
All the added features above but without a FF sensor. And without a hump. Price it at about $1000 as a step up from the A6000 and they'll sell like hotcakes.

When they make that camera and it is realy good, and have all the things (like 4K video, and the Panasonic interface totaly build in a $1000 camera you are right, but is it possible for that price? I don't think so.

kdrk888 · Aug 11, 2014

Digital Nigel said:
kdrk888 said:

It would be nice if it's a FF e-mount body with better AF and faster FPS. They can name it anything they want. I don't care.

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Isn't that the A7 and A7s?

I haven't used the A7 or the A7s personally, but from the review and comments, the AF is not that hot. Wouldn't that be nice if they had similar fast AF and FPS like the a6000? That's what I meant.

Digital Nigel · Aug 11, 2014

kdrk888 said:
Digital Nigel said:

kdrk888 said:

It would be nice if it's a FF e-mount body with better AF and faster FPS. They can name it anything they want. I don't care.

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Isn't that the A7 and A7s?

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I haven't used the A7 or the A7s personally, but from the review and comments, the AF is not that hot. Wouldn't that be nice if they had similar fast AF and FPS like the a6000? That's what I meant.

The high FPS is harder with a FF camera. In any case, I don't think that an FF E-Mount body is a NEX-7 successor; it's a different camera that needs different FE lenses.

The a6000 is the nearest thing to a NEX-7 successor, but presumably to make it cheaper, it also lacks some of the NEX-7's strengths. Whether Sony sees a larger enough market segment for an a6000+ is the question we can't answer.

Greynerd · Aug 11, 2014

Tr- Navi controls were a little experiment that is unlikely to be repeated. Sony are trying to make their stuff cheap and simple. Is there any indication that they will repeat this as nothing since the NEX 7 has featured this control layout?

Sony definitely does not have the real estate as the organisation struggles with profitability. Scrapping the failed and unlamented NEX menu system must have cost them a small fortune and having to convert the old Alpha menus is a bit of a lash up which is probably why the A6000 does not have a horizon sensor. I would not expect anything too sophisticated as the tri-navi was part of the redundant NEX firmware I would have thought.

Waltom said:
If there were such a mythical beast as a NEX-7Alpha (my term) it would need to be better than the A6000. That means a better EVF (not hard to do, Sony — see the NEX-7), better AF (well A6000 type AF on a FF sensor), Tri-Navi controls, a horizon sensor, all the inputs that video people want (but Sony never seems to have the real estate to provide). And the sensor better be a corker!

Digital Nigel · Aug 11, 2014

Greynerd said:
Tr- Navi controls were a little experiment that is unlikely to be repeated. Sony are trying to make their stuff cheap and simple. Is there any indication that they will repeat this as nothing since the NEX 7 has featured this control layout?

Sony definitely does not have the real estate as the organisation struggles with profitability. Scrapping the failed and unlamented NEX menu system must have cost them a small fortune and having to convert the old Alpha menus is a bit of a lash up which is probably why the A6000 does not have a horizon sensor. I would not expect anything too sophisticated as the tri-navi was part of the redundant NEX firmware I would have thought.

However, I don't think that Tri-Navi was properly implemented on the NEX-7. For example, exposure compensation was available on both one of the top wheels and by pressing the bottom of the rear wheel and turning it. And in A and S modes, the rear wheel and top left wheel had essentially the same function. So it looks like they experimented with Tri-Navi, but didn't implement it wholeheartedly.

Also, after the NEX-7, Sony seems to have decided it must have a permanent, marked mode dial (even on the little RX100 series), rather than having a virtual mode dial, as in the first two generations of NEX cameras. So it was an obvious step to reassign the largely duplicated left top wheel to be the permanent mode dial.

captura · Aug 11, 2014

jpr2 said:
captura said:

jpr2 said:

with a rugged, all metal body;

a good (at least as good as in the N-7 mk-I, or better) 2.4 Mpx OLED VF;

1/8000 sec. min. shutter speed;

weather seal;

accurate, as well as quick OSPDAF akin to the a6k's, but not missing as many frames in the fast, dynamic action shooting;

electronic level gauge;

the a6k was not tempting enough for me, esp. as there are no fast, bright primes longer than 55mm - so right now the a6k hangs in a kind of a lens-less limbo; even with zooms the offer is limited, and something like 70-300/4 OSS is not even planned on Sony's horizon

jpr2

PS and yes, with the features as listed above, a rung on the price ladder about $1000 seems perfectly placed

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I totally agree. A FF NEX-7 replacement seems ridiculous to me so thi ngs being what they are with this unpredictable Sony Corp.; maybe that is what they will offer. Bizarre!

I'm hoping they do the right thing, which is an updated metal bodied pro-level APS-C body as promised, off and on, tentatively named the Sony A7000. Maybe not until next year.....

Steve

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all what you've quoted from the various rumor mills is either of no interest at all, or at best of a very, very slight interest;

Besides the goodies like all-metal body, 1/8000 sec. shutter, level gauge, and above all accurate and fast OSPDAF...

but which I didn't mention as these are so completely obvious:

neither of the a7, a7r, or a7s are in any way replacements for the N-7 classic, because as FF bodies they've lost 1.5x reach advantage of the APS-C form factor, so e.g. instead of a relatively modest 400mm for wild-life, BIFs or other fast action in situations where one is never close enough, one would need to mount a whopping 600m for a comparable reach !!!

the RF-like, small-brick body of the N7 mk-II can't be replaced by any of the A7* series as they are all humped;

and last but not least, lets hope that the control wheels on the N7 mk-II (be it a7000 or whatever fancy name the screw-heads at S. will give it) be more flexible than that of the a6k:

as a minimal requirement, the positions of the mode dial and the control wheel next to id should be swapped;

but better still, they both should be made flexible = fully user programmable!!

so e.g. I'd reassign all the "green" and JPG-related positions there (also video) as I just NEVER use them at all !!!

jpr2

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