Focal length 35mm equivalent, but not F-stop?

Started Jul 24, 2014 | Discussions thread
mostlyboringphotog Veteran Member • Posts: 9,008
Re: What ordinary people want

Chikoo wrote:

mostlyboringphotog wrote:

Chikoo wrote:

Chikoo wrote:

Gerry Winterbourne wrote:

Chikoo wrote:

All camera manufacturer when they publish technical specification of their camera lens publish the focal length and it's equivalent in 35mm. But the same is not done for F-stop. Why?

Ordinary people just want to take photos. Most of them know absolutely nothing about photography and nothing relating to 35mm cameras means anything to them. Quite a few, though, have some former experience with 35mm, or access to people with such experience.

I'll start with APS-C because that was the first widely used sensor size. In use an APS-C DSLR was, and is, very similar to an SLR , with one major difference - the crop factor. I was caught out by this (my fault for insufficient research but caught I was). Focal length has various effects but the one that most obviously affects users who know about 35mm photography is the FOV so stating FLs in 35mm equivalent as well as the actual FL is a simple courtesy to buyers.

The same thing applies to users of other sensor sizes and camera types: either FL means nothing to them or they have some knowledge about 35mm FL/FOV. So that information is useful. But anything beyond is superfluous: you only have to read the Beginners forum here to know how few newcomers understand DOF as a concept, so what earthly use to them is data on equivalency?

On the other hand, anyone who knows - and cares - about such things is able to work them out so the information isn't needed.

Ditto the noise equivalency mentioned elsewhere in the thread: get into that and you should also be asking why camera makers don't publish data on the noise performance of all cameras. Even at the same sensor size, why don't we see noise data to allow us to compare a D700 with a 6D with ...? Because without that it's pointless to look at a P&S noise performance v a specific other camera.

So what makers give is a compromise between completeness and confusion.

A person who has grown up using 35mm camera, and loves the way his f2.8 lens provide a nice bokeh, and sees the new camera in the store which is smaller and lighter, and boasts the same focal length and zoom range + F-stop, will be more than happy to purchase that camera. Only to find out that it is not the same. He is not getting the same quality of picture as his 35mm f2.8 lens gave him for the last 30 years.

That is deceptive to say the least.

This is like stating the hp of a car with a 4 cylinder engine as a ratio of power to weight and sell it saying it is the same or better than the large v8 he currently drives.

This was true even when "I, Roman" ruled the world - that's why they warned "Caveat Emptor".

So if I have a 35mm camera and a m43, will the same exact focal length, fstop give me the same picture given the ISO/DR/SNR is the same on both?

Ordinary people want photos in which their spouse look good and their kids don't look blurry because they were running around. If you have 35mm camera and m43, you don't need to ask the question and if you do (no condescension intended as we all need to learn at least once and someone like me, many time but I digress...) there are far better ways to learn than looking for the "equivalent aperture" on a spec sheet. That is my opinion.

maybe they should not print any specs. Just try and buy if you like your wife in the picture eh?

Now your are being passive aggressive... How about just the facts like FL and maximum aperture and the sensor size, etc, nothing artificial added

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