Just started playing with Iridient for my X-T1 files

Wayyyyyy better than lightroom

The images just look more natural...easier to get better / more accurate colors.
Better for somethings, worse for others which you will discover.

Better for details, but watch out for false colours and weird tones. Probably OK for landscapers, not for portrait shooters.

Tendency to oversaturate and brighten yellows. Can gets some funky results with the ninja.
 
I was initially enamored with Iridient, but I eventually realized that all the "extra detail" was just very narrowly focused over-sharpening. The files ended up looking very "crunchy" and "digital" as compared to LR (and others, like PN). So many folks equate a "good" file with one that is over-sharpened. I also discovered that if you turn off NR in Iridient, all those magical fine details become riddled with multi-colored artifacts and moiré! I deleted Iridient from my Mac, and have been happily using LR ever since.
 
Me too... tried all the external raw developers, and some of them are great for some images, but bad for other. Skin tones especially, I think, look better in LR. All the extra work isn't worth the result.
 
I found the opposite. I imported the same RAW file into Iridient and into Lightroom. Lightroom gave much more natural colours. The reds in Iridient were shocking. Far too garish.
 
Wayyyyyy better than lightroom

The images just look more natural...easier to get better / more accurate colors.
I agree. I shoot a lot of rustic buildings in New England. Details like peeling paint and weathered wood (sharpened with R-L deconvolution) look "photographically" sharp, not edgy and full of USM artifacts like LR renders. The X-Trans RAW converted through Irident look almost printable at 100% views. But sometimes there will be moire in tiny areas of detail in some images, and shadow recovery is minimal. That's when I use PhotoNinja or C1 Pro.

Sal
 
So those of you who went back to LR... does that mean that LR has improved or simply that Iridient wasn't the best processor?

And for those who prefer PN, is the interface easy to learn? I don't mind the extra cost of another developer, but I know how to use LR and am hoping that a second option will be easy to learn.
 
So those of you who went back to LR... does that mean that LR has improved or simply that Iridient wasn't the best processor?

And for those who prefer PN, is the interface easy to learn? I don't mind the extra cost of another developer, but I know how to use LR and am hoping that a second option will be easy to learn.
LR has improved greatly since the early X-Trans days. Some still don't like it (mostly just for very dense, green, leafy images), but many more have found it to be very good, and worth any small nitpicks because it's so fast and has such a robust file cataloguing/tagging system.

PN has an initial wow factor - the image that pops up on screen looks great, and I have to admit it's colors are very nice, but files don't look any "better" (sharper/cleaner) than LR to my eye. What put me off of PN was the supposed "highlight recovery". It simply takes any blown out areas and adds in a "false" color. LR actually "recovers" much more real information from the files. For me, this is more important. Colors can always be tweaked.
 
watch out for false colours and weird tones [from Iridient]. Probably OK for landscapers, not for portrait shooters.
Tendency to oversaturate and brighten yellows. Can gets some funky results with the ninja.
The donation-only program Raw Therapee now handles RAF files (and will work on TIFs, too). The RAF demosaic tool has a false color suppression slider. Start with the tools for exposure, blacks, color temp, and the LAB curves and sliders. For sharpening, use its RL deconvolution.

A recent thread in this forum gives links to the new versions of RT.
 
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I just started playing with Capture One Pro and while there is a whole new learning curve ahead, I really like how it handles X raw files - nice pop, rich colours and contrast. Here is an article on how it compares to Lightroom. https://fstoppers.com/originals/lightroom-or-capture-one-pro-which-raw-processor-best-24769

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And how well does it provide for DAM, or stability, or speed? I also find C1's renders lovely. However, it has no place in my workflow.
 
LOL I found that out 2 bodies ago (my first, an X-E1, now X-T1). That's the real image quality of X-Trans, IMO.
 
So those of you who went back to LR... does that mean that LR has improved or simply that Iridient wasn't the best processor?

And for those who prefer PN, is the interface easy to learn? I don't mind the extra cost of another developer, but I know how to use LR and am hoping that a second option will be easy to learn.
I can comment on LR only. I was a long time Aperture user and switched to LR 4.4 for xe1 support for 2 years. Once Aperture supported XTrans I went back. The initial xe1 renders I was getting out of Aperture were very noticeably better (subjective of course but I don't view flat + a lot of work as a positive attribute). Last week I installed LR 5.5 and used it for 3 long days. Did about 200 varied images. Frankly, I was quite surprised. The initial renders were very good and very close to what I was getting from Aperture as I compared many of them side by side. For shadows, LR was doing a better job (an Aperture weakness with a poor shadows tool as well).

What's changed, a lot? I've gone from an xe1 to an xt1. Different laptop with a better display. A different version of LR. I seriously doubt the xt1 files are any different than the xe1's. Display is irrelevant as comparisons were made on the same display. People say there's no change to Adobe's conversions since 4.4, I question this. In any event, this work convinced me LR is a very acceptable tool for XTrans in its current state.

I also tried the film simulations and quickly forgot about them. Provia is quite close the Adobe's default render with a heavier hand in shadows. The other two I neither like in camera or in Adobe. Too much work to tame them down and balance them out.

Lightroom is still like working in a cramped dungeon that makes poor use of display space without shoving panes around all the time, its slower than Aperture on a 1.7 i7 Air (as in just walk away while its doing imports), its GUI and DAM is inexcusable given the resources Adobe has but I found it a perfectly acceptable converter and editor. Excellent colors, nice balance, very good editing tools which are easy to use. Other than Aperture, the only bundled DAM that's worth working with.

While it may not be fashionable to be supportive of Adobe on this forum, I believe they've made a lot of progress. There's no doubt there are apps out there that can pull out more detail. The current version of DCRAW as an example, PhotoNinja as another. But these apps basically give you a product that requires a lot of work to end up with a final image that's noticeably better than say an Aperture or LR default render. I don't print, I don't care to mess with apps that have no, or poor, DAM and I don't care for instability. Something that can't be said for many of the more fashionable apps.

With the demise of Aperture my view is I'm either headed back to LR or I'll go for a product like Photo Supreme and tie a few editors into it. Iridient is one I will look at, LR or PS has a good chance of being another. PN and DCRAW have been eliminated. I've used PN and don't care for it merely covering up blown out areas with some false color. C1 is a learning curve, not cheap and not all that stable from what I keep reading on a Mac. Perhaps I'm getting too old but I'd like a tool that saves me work, not creates more.
 
So those of you who went back to LR... does that mean that LR has improved or simply that Iridient wasn't the best processor?

And for those who prefer PN, is the interface easy to learn? I don't mind the extra cost of another developer, but I know how to use LR and am hoping that a second option will be easy to learn.
I can comment on LR only. I was a long time Aperture user and switched to LR 4.4 for xe1 support for 2 years. Once Aperture supported XTrans I went back. The initial xe1 renders I was getting out of Aperture were very noticeably better (subjective of course but I don't view flat + a lot of work as a positive attribute). Last week I installed LR 5.5 and used it for 3 long days. Did about 200 varied images. Frankly, I was quite surprised. The initial renders were very good and very close to what I was getting from Aperture as I compared many of them side by side. For shadows, LR was doing a better job (an Aperture weakness with a poor shadows tool as well).

What's changed, a lot? I've gone from an xe1 to an xt1. Different laptop with a better display. A different version of LR. I seriously doubt the xt1 files are any different than the xe1's. Display is irrelevant as comparisons were made on the same display. People say there's no change to Adobe's conversions since 4.4, I question this. In any event, this work convinced me LR is a very acceptable tool for XTrans in its current state.

I also tried the film simulations and quickly forgot about them. Provia is quite close the Adobe's default render with a heavier hand in shadows. The other two I neither like in camera or in Adobe. Too much work to tame them down and balance them out.

Lightroom is still like working in a cramped dungeon that makes poor use of display space without shoving panes around all the time, its slower than Aperture on a 1.7 i7 Air (as in just walk away while its doing imports), its GUI and DAM is inexcusable given the resources Adobe has but I found it a perfectly acceptable converter and editor. Excellent colors, nice balance, very good editing tools which are easy to use. Other than Aperture, the only bundled DAM that's worth working with.

While it may not be fashionable to be supportive of Adobe on this forum, I believe they've made a lot of progress. There's no doubt there are apps out there that can pull out more detail. The current version of DCRAW as an example, PhotoNinja as another. But these apps basically give you a product that requires a lot of work to end up with a final image that's noticeably better than say an Aperture or LR default render. I don't print, I don't care to mess with apps that have no, or poor, DAM and I don't care for instability. Something that can't be said for many of the more fashionable apps.

With the demise of Aperture my view is I'm either headed back to LR or I'll go for a product like Photo Supreme and tie a few editors into it. Iridient is one I will look at, LR or PS has a good chance of being another. PN and DCRAW have been eliminated. I've used PN and don't care for it merely covering up blown out areas with some false color. C1 is a learning curve, not cheap and not all that stable from what I keep reading on a Mac. Perhaps I'm getting too old but I'd like a tool that saves me work, not creates more.
I'm not much of a techie, but I never needed to look at the manual with C1 Pro. Tools are located in groups represented by icons in the upper left of the screen. Toggle through them once and you're ready to go. I run it on my Mac Pro and have never had any stability problems, it's solid as a rock. Of course I've never had PhotoNinja or Iridient crash either.

I don't think this is a matter of supporting Adobe or not. This is a gear forum, and some people want to discuss processing software and quality of the rendering. I only care because I print large and need all the clean detail I can get when I interpolate to 360dpi at 16x20 to 20x30 inches. For most people this would be a non-issue.

Sal
 
Thanks activatedfx and uniball for the LR impressions. Interestingly, the thing I kept reading a few months back that people loved about PN was the highlight recovery. Now that it is understood that it is in reality creating false colors, it's a little less tempting.
 
So those of you who went back to LR... does that mean that LR has improved or simply that Iridient wasn't the best processor?

And for those who prefer PN, is the interface easy to learn? I don't mind the extra cost of another developer, but I know how to use LR and am hoping that a second option will be easy to learn.
LR has improved greatly since the early X-Trans days. Some still don't like it (mostly just for very dense, green, leafy images), but many more have found it to be very good, and worth any small nitpicks because it's so fast and has such a robust file cataloguing/tagging system.

PN has an initial wow factor - the image that pops up on screen looks great, and I have to admit it's colors are very nice, but files don't look any "better" (sharper/cleaner) than LR to my eye. What put me off of PN was the supposed "highlight recovery". It simply takes any blown out areas and adds in a "false" color. LR actually "recovers" much more real information from the files. For me, this is more important. Colors can always be tweaked.
PN is very easy to use. It is not complicated like others.

The colors, specially i noticed this on the REDS, oooooh yes they POP! The colors look awesome, and to my eyes, PN does output more detail in its own way. The image might not look as "natural" but the colors look great and very pleasant. I totally agree that PN highlight recovery is not even near LR capability. That's why i haven't switched to it yet.

The photo below was taken in LR5, and look at the person on your right side, the girl's eyes look totally dark. I don't have the sample from PN because i was using the free download version. But when i opened that photo in PN their eyes were freaking brighter and they were either more blue or green, i can't remember which, but their eyes did showed a LOT more detail. BUT "to me" lightroom looks more normal and natural than PhotoNinja.

What i found VERY interesting is that i took that shot under the tree shade and later on boosted the shadow, I actually didn't notice and don't know what the girls actual eyes color is, but in LR they show dark, and in PN it shows COLOR. I thought that was pretty impressive.

 

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I'm not much of a techie, but I never needed to look at the manual with C1 Pro. Tools are located in groups represented by icons in the upper left of the screen. Toggle through them once and you're ready to go. I run it on my Mac Pro and have never had any stability problems, it's solid as a rock. Of course I've never had PhotoNinja or Iridient crash either.

I don't think this is a matter of supporting Adobe or not. This is a gear forum, and some people want to discuss processing software and quality of the rendering. I only care because I print large and need all the clean detail I can get when I interpolate to 360dpi at 16x20 to 20x30 inches. For most people this would be a non-issue.

Sal
I appreciate this. I know I have to make a change and I know C1 does excellent XTrans conversions and is an excellent editor. However, they've had issues with OpenCL for a few versions of 7 so far including the latest. There's no shortage of topics on the C1 forums discussing this as well as other stability issues. I don't mind turning off OpenCL but the impression I'm left with is there's more work to do and version 8 is not too far off.

At some point I'll give it a try and see just what their DAM looks like.
 
I'm not much of a techie, but I never needed to look at the manual with C1 Pro. Tools are located in groups represented by icons in the upper left of the screen. Toggle through them once and you're ready to go. I run it on my Mac Pro and have never had any stability problems, it's solid as a rock. Of course I've never had PhotoNinja or Iridient crash either.

I don't think this is a matter of supporting Adobe or not. This is a gear forum, and some people want to discuss processing software and quality of the rendering. I only care because I print large and need all the clean detail I can get when I interpolate to 360dpi at 16x20 to 20x30 inches. For most people this would be a non-issue.

Sal
I appreciate this. I know I have to make a change and I know C1 does excellent XTrans conversions and is an excellent editor. However, they've had issues with OpenCL for a few versions of 7 so far including the latest. There's no shortage of topics on the C1 forums discussing this as well as other stability issues. I don't mind turning off OpenCL but the impression I'm left with is there's more work to do and version 8 is not too far off.

At some point I'll give it a try and see just what their DAM looks like.
Maybe they're giving the software some kind of developers stress tests? All I know is I've been using 4 or 5 times a week for the past 6-months with zero issues. I keep mine updated, a new version just came out. I would think I would have seen at least one crash if there was a widespread issue.

You can download a free C1 demo and give it a try it on your Mac.

Cheers..

Sal
 
Thanks activatedfx and uniball for the LR impressions. Interestingly, the thing I kept reading a few months back that people loved about PN was the highlight recovery. Now that it is understood that it is in reality creating false colors, it's a little less tempting.
I think the main strength of PN is the presentation of details after the RAW file is demosaiced. If PN is being used an external editor in LR, the LR can do a fine job of highlight recovery. I don't rely on PN to recover highlights.
 

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