Bragging about our expensive mirrorless/DSLR vs a point and shoot

Started Jun 16, 2014 | Discussions thread
mr moonlight Senior Member • Posts: 1,789
Re: Bragging about our expensive mirrorless/DSLR vs a point and shoot

a l b e r t wrote:

mr moonlight wrote:

a l b e r t wrote:

Basically, the OP is up against the hw limitation of his camera that lacks HSS flash.

Even if you have a Nikon/Canon DSLR, the result would be the same without a flash that supports HSS.

The best bet is probably a 3-stop ND filter, with +2EV on the exposure compensation dial (assuming he is using matrix metering) and put the camera in DR400. The ND filter is needed to enable the camera to use DR400, as ISO is now 800. Let the camera decide on the aperture and shutter speed.

HSS sync would have helped in getting the OP's first image to work since it would have allowed the camera to sync with the flash. If I remember correctly, the sync speed on the XE1 is 1/180, so at 1/250 his camera never caught the flash even though it did fire.

That being said, his settings were not maxed out, so he could have still nailed the shot without HSS. His settings are 1/250, ISO200, f18, and the image was a little underexposed, so there's some wiggle room there. If he brought his shutter speed down to 1/180, his camera would have caught the flash and his image would have been closer to correct exposure. That may have solved his problem right there. If his flash was still not bright enough, taking a step or two closer to his subjects would likely take care it. If he wanted to keep the same exposure, I think his lens goes to f22.

Actually, he cannot nail the pic without HSS. I have been into his situation before. Basically, the built-in flash output is weak compared to the sun, and the aperture at 1/180 or 1/250 is already at f18 or similar. At that aperture, very little flash illumination gets into the sensor, unless you're very close to the subject. This of course fails to capture the background scenery.

X-E1 can most of the time sync with 1/200 without bottom shadow. The officially support x-sync speed is 1/180 and you can't set that on X-E1. I have used 1/250 and the flash will fire, but the lower 1/3 of the pic is dark, but the upper part is well exposed (assuming you're not against the sun). So it is not a mater of using 1/180 for the built-in flash in this case, as the flash is simply over powered by the sun.

What I think is that he should maintain a correct exposure for his subject and manipulate the camera into DR400 so that the background exposure can be salvaged. But in order to get DR400, he needs ISO 800. And since he is already at f18, he would need very high shutter speed to bring the aperture value down at such high ISO value.

I think this topic could be an interesting challenge for someone to come up with a decent solution with a combination of ND filter, exposure comp, with or without onboard flash.

I figure by the size of the subjects in his second photo, he was roughly 6'-7' from them and still got a good amount of background scenery. At that distance, the on camera flash would still be able to shed some light on his subjects. Since he had a zoom, he could go a bit wider, step in a little and while his perspective would change, he'd be able to light up his subjects even more while still getting the background scenery.

I'm thinking if he was at 5' at 18mm, with his camera set to ISO200, f14, 1/200 his background would be exposed close enough and his flash would have enough power to give a little fill. It's not an ideal situation, but I think he'd be able to get much better results if he gave the flash a bit of a chance.

Of course HSS is an awesome feature in itself and one of the reasons I bring my X100 every where I go.

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