The Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 has horrific flare characteristics

boxerman wrote:

texinwien wrote:

I believe you crossed over quickly from personal expectations to generalized, smug and offensive generalizations when you stated that you "don't feel it is sensible to be disappointed".

I could, but won't, contest your reading of what I said. The productive part of a conversation is over when a war begins quoting things out of context and where insulting is the main point.

Nothing I wrote could be rightly interpreted as an insult, I certainly haven't purposefully quoted anything out of context, and it was never my intention to start a war.

Suffice it to say my intention was to contribute my perspective on and experience with the lens and these problems--and I'm happy to learn along the way (e.g., that exposure duration seems to be an influence). I never denied your right to be unhappy; I even underscored it in my original post. What I most wanted to get in the open was that different people have different perspectives, and certain information can contribute to an informed decision (like where's the ISO probability "knee" where things get bad; like what expectations/needs/conditions play into better and worse experiences, beyond "it's terrible" or "it's great." I'm so sorry you missed that. I don't see why this couldn't have been a productive exchange.

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The BoxerMan

I think you're protesting a little too much, but whatever. You might need to work on your communication skills, as this sentence of yours is simply unclear:

I don't hold it against anyone who would be disappointed, but I don't feel it is sensible to be disappointed.

You don't hold it against anyone who would be disappointed - well, that sounds magnanimous. But you also don't feel it's sensible to be disappointed - that sounds insulting.

Are you saying you don't think those who are disappointed are sensible, but you don't hold their (perceived, by you) insensibility against them?

If it seems everyone's having trouble correctly interpreting your words, the fault is yours, not theirs.