Liberal Return Policies vs. "has my camera been used?": A way to Solve This

Started May 6, 2014 | Discussions thread
OP ne beginner Senior Member • Posts: 2,149
Re: reading but not listening...

Patrick McMahon wrote:

I guess we are in a bit of a pickle... I have sworn to whole heartily support the cause for seals, the meager request I made was to stop forcing Brick and mortars to charge hundreds more in the form of sales tax.

You may get your wish. That has been included in several bills proposed in recent years.  Same with states trying to collect taxes for products purchased across state lines.

Right now the system is rigged in a way that does not trouble me in the least.

1. My retailer rigorously inspects any returns and if all their stringent guidelines are met and the goods are in new condition, they sell it as new. That is not dishonest at all, they have never told me otherwise and it is supported by the UCC. Completely lawful. It is new under the law.

I disagree. If an item has been sold and then returned, and if that item has been opened, i.o. not factory sealed, it is used.  How legal that is, or not, is subject to consumer protection laws, which vary by state.  I am not a lawyer, so not the expert, but my understanding on UCC is that is has nothing to do with what we are discussing.  It applies to transactions between merchants across state lines.

"The goal of harmonizing state law is important because of the prevalence of commercial transactions that extend beyond one state. For example, goods may be manufactured in State A, warehoused in State B, sold from State C and delivered in State D. The UCC therefore achieved the goal of substantial uniformity in commercial laws and, at the same time, allowed the states the flexibility to meet local circumstances by modifying the UCC's text as enacted in each state. The UCC deals primarily with transactions involving personal property(movable property), not real property (immovable property).

Other goals of the UCC were to modernize contract law and to allow for exceptions from the common law in contracts between merchants."

2. If I am ever unhappy with a good I purchase I simply ask my retailer to rectify the situation.

I completely understand the points being made (though I do not subscribe to many of them) and I have simply asked that if you are going to completely shift the paradigm which as been in place for decades- do the same exact thing that other countries with seals do - Do not force brick and mortars to charge hundreds more. This has been met with resistance... so, where are we at?

If I understand your point, it's the sales tax issue, not the seals, that would cause that, right?

I get it, some kid bought it to do an unboxing video, or someone wanted to try out multiple Dfs before buying another camera. A pro couldn't decide on which color Df... As for the whole- someone took it on an arctic expedition because they didn't want to bring their own camera... well we could get into a whole host of speculation.

I would be very weary of any retailer with a liberal return policy who tells you they do not do this, unless I was face to face with them.

Anywho- the whole "No! No! No! It's my way or the highway!" is not a very good way to work change into the system.

Certainly, I agree. I'm no expert. Just posing a question for debate. There are a lot of valid arguments on either side of this issue.

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