Do you think Canon will take on the A7?

Started Apr 19, 2014 | Discussions thread
Symtex Regular Member • Posts: 474
Re: Sheep mentality

roustabout66 wrote:

Symtex wrote:

roustabout66 wrote:

DFPanno wrote:

roustabout66 wrote:

DFPanno wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

DFPanno wrote:

I haven't purchased from Canon since I got my 5D3 at its introduction.

I have spent a small fortune on Sony and will spend another small fortune next week on an A7R and a full compliment of lenses.

Canon has a lot of work to do before I buy from them again.

Sorry but Canon's aim is not to keep up with sony because sony is a moving target. Creating too many products and not concentrating on solid product lines. Like their boondoggle "Q" cameras, they are ready to let their a-mount die and go completely mirrorless regardless if their customers want an OVF.

I would be happy if they would start with a sensor that can go head-to-head with the one in my RX1.

Basically all image sensors are equal if you aren't into lifting shadows by 6 stops or under exposing by 6 stops and brightening the image. It's only the gadget junkies on here that call Canon image sensors poor - and that's a tiny percentage of camera users!

I can guarentee you "dollars to donuts" the you have no experience with Sonys current crop of cameras.

Based upon the losses in the camera division at Sony, it would seem that few people have any experience with Sony's current cameras. I would be more concerned with Sony dropping out of the camera market than Canon responding to any Sony camera.

One has nothing to do with other now does it?

Of course, profits and viability in the market have MUCH to do with one another

The Sony FF mirrorless have been extremely popular and are selling quite well.

Do you have any numbers to back that up? If they have extremely popular cameras selling quite well at around $2000 a pop why are they losing so much money?

While it is possible that Sony could collaspse I would doubt it very, very, much. It is more likely that they would be bought or merge.

Sony will not fail.....they are profitable and have a lot of cash. The CAMERA DIVISION is bleeding money and has been for some time. Sony does have a history of deserting unprofitable products.

I could see a number of other companies folding before Sony.

The problem here is that only a handful of people shoot both companies and thus have a posteriori knowledge with regard to these comparisons.

Everybody else is either "internet learned" or a fanboy.

The simple truth is that anyone that works these files day-to-day will tell you that those coming out of the Sony FF cameras are on another plane.

You confuse quality with market success. The Betamax was vastly superior to VHS, but who won the market wars?

That said; if it pleases individuals with emotional or economic attachments to Canon to hold and advance the notion that they are equal then that is fine by me…….

Canon is not equal...they dominate DSLR sales and profits and have for some time. Canon and Nikon are the only camera brands making money. All the others are on life support.

If you did you would never make those statements.

They are operating on another plane but if you like to think they are all equal be my guest.

Incidently - IBM and GM were other "too big to fail" companies that operated under the delusion that the industry revolved around them.

Talk about sheep mentality, your argument is "If everyone is doing it, you have to do it".

No, my argument is you have to stay in business to do ANYTHING and to stay in business you must either turn a profit or have a company willing to keep feeding you on life support.

There is plenty of alternative. Olympus/Fuji has been 2 manufacturer that has been successful in that space. They have have tons of lens and accessories and they are very viable alternative. Panasonic is about to shake the world with its GH4.

If Olympus/Fuji have been "successful" why are profits not part of the "success"? Panasonic about to "shake the world" Does "shake the world" mean not being acquired by Canon

If anything, Nikon and Canon are falling behind on technology. They will have to re-adjust soon because the end user market is shifting. Mirrorless camera are getting to the point where they are very good. Soon they will surpass DSLR.

What all you arm chair CEO's don't understand is that Canon and Nikon only care about PROFITS. If quality is the path to profits fine but one does not necessarily equate to the other. Where do you get mirrorless will soon pass DSLR? I thought numbers showed mirrorless sales declining after their initial success everywhere except Japan.

For every Canon DSLR, they are thousands of smartphone taking picture. They dominate the world of photography now. Who said Fuji/Olympus is not profitable ? Do you have financial annual reports to share with us?

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