D700 amateur user wonders why D4s has no built in flash

Started Feb 20, 2014 | Discussions thread
LD_50 Regular Member • Posts: 371
Re: depends on the usage

Devendra wrote:

LD_50 wrote:

I've owned the D700 and D4. I never missed the on-board flash on the D4, other than to use it as a flash commander.

Instead I would prefer Nikon implement a built in radio controlled flash command setup for the Dx line along with built in GPS and Wi-Fi and IR control, as well as a few other items.

i agree. i would like to have radio flash, and GPS. radio controlled will be more reliable, and i currently keep my gps hooked up to my d800e.

The built-in flash on the D700 and my mobile phone and every other camera I've owned has been so inferior to dedicated flash units that I've never found them useful.

not totally inferior. they are handy features

The onboard flash units are inferior to dedicated flash units. Are you arguing otherwise?

Having the most features doesn't make a "professional" camera. Typically the point and shoots and definitely mobile phones will have more features, but they won't meet the demands of the target audience for the Dx series for the type of work those cameras are designed for.

not exactly. i see it other way, if it is cheap enough to provide those, there are times when you can use them. of course one can always perma-tape the flash or nikon can provide a body with and without. I can bet they will sell more with flash.

anyway, here are couple of samples of the "inferior" features that you talk about.

fill flash for the leaves above/foreground. they were darkish otherwise.

remote flash - side flash instead of the front without additional hardware (just a single sb800 and onboard flash)

If you read my post again you'll see that I stated made use of the onboard flash as a commander, much as you've done in the second photo. As for the first one, a dedicated flash would do a better job, more reliably, in more situations. I don't think the Dx series needs the compromise an onboard flash provides.

I don't understand your concern with the Dx series if it clearly doesn't meet your needs as well as the D700. Your Ferrari analogy is equally perplexing in that people don't cross shop Ferraris and Datsuns because they are designed and priced for different uses.

Why not buy a D800? How can it be too late? It's as good today as it was yesterday and as good tomorrow as well. If it meets your needs, buy it and use it.

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