Who is at fault for the waxy skin tones? Locked

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Re: TThorne

mistermejia wrote:

TThorne wrote:

mistermejia wrote:

TThorne wrote:

mistermejia wrote:

Is it Fuji itself ?? Or could this be a SABOTAGE thing from the sensor maker itself??

It is in the processing. I believe that, in an attempt to win the more tangible battle, showing less noise at higher ISO, aggressive NR and processing is causing this issue. So many consumers these days equate lack of noise to low light IQ, because it is tangible and can be seen easily, that they forget the other, and some times more important aspects of low light IQ, like texture and detail retention. Fuji is smart here. They know who they are catering to and so they pull their own special wool sheet.

Does Fuji actually make this sensors, or do they buy them from Sony or someone else?

They buy them from Sony.

I am just curious because i CAN'T believe that the jpegs are changing so much with the new sensors, i couldn't possibly believe that Fuji is just bypassing or ignoring this skin tone issue.

I doubt they are ignoring it, but there is only so much they can do before they introduce noise back not the photo, which is fine in my opinion, but then it will effect all the people who only ever post DPR high ISO sample comparison shots to declare Fuji the noiseless low light king.

I just moved from nikon to get away from plastic looking skin tones, and Fuji's new cameras are all coming out like this now??? I don't get it.

For the life of me I can't understand people wanting a serious system camera and all the fixings just to shoot jpeg, but to each their own. Mix poor light, high ISO, and bad WB settings, then demand a SOOC jpeg, and that is what you may get.

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I probably started "hearing" about this Xtrans cameras around two years ago. I was not into them at all. All i would "hear" is this "awesome jpeg performance". So i said to myself yeah why not! If i don't HAVE to shoot RAW all the time that would be great! Fantastic jpegs out of the camera, yeah why not i said!

So i went and bought my very little X10 and took it to my vacation trip to Guatemala last november, and shot jpeg all the way. That changed my life and thoughts about this compact size bodies

Under certain scenarios or whenever i feel like it, I shoot RAW, but I didn't move to Fuji to shoot raw ALL THE TIME

That is fair enough in my opinion, but by shooting jpeg you are asking the camera to make a bunch of decisions for you.

Of course! That's why i pay the camera to do the job for me

Humans don't make the best decisions on the most consistent basis, so I might not expect so much out of a camera. Fuji has been heavy handed on the NR and has made a priority of parading around noiseless jpegs. This isn't some revolutionary new technology. There are going to be compromises.

In any event, I hope, what ever direction you choose, that it all works out for you.

My choice will be on what Fuji handles this issue in time. I just got my XE1 so i guess i wont be experiencing this problem right now, but in a year or so when the XT1 price drops then i decide i want to upgrade, i DON'T want to be having this jpeg issue. But yes, i could shoot RAW and don't have a real problem in that, but why would fuji want to screw up the beautiful jpegs?

And the other side of the coin is, if one can shoot RAW why not just apply the extreme noise reduction there if one wants to and leave the darn jpeg alone? There is no reason why the jpeg has to be screwed up either, in my opinion.

I think there is some sort of misunderstanding. The raw files are just that: raw. There is not image processing applied to them, no sharpening, no noise reduction, nothing. The JPEGs are derived from the raw data.

If you are not satisfied with Fuji's handling of the raw processing under certain circumstances, you can still enjoy the convenience of JPEG: just shoot RAW+JPEG, and decide if you want to keep the JPEG version. If you don't want it, load the raw file into a decent processor of your choice (e.g., Lightroom, Aperture, Capture 1, etc.) and let it do one-step image processing. No need for you to do anything. There are many pre-defined profiles that you can apply with the click of a mouse button, much more conveniently than wading through the menus in the camera.

Instead of Fuji, you would then be paying the respective software developer for processing the data for you. Chances are you will like the possibilities the software gives you, compared to the in-camera processor.

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