Size comparison of FE 4/2470 on A7 vs Olympus 12-40 f2.8 on GX7

Started Feb 6, 2014 | Discussions thread
technic Veteran Member • Posts: 8,932
Re: apples and oranges

Dennis wrote:

technic wrote:

Yes ... I'm currently considering a FF DSLR with bright tele/macro primes for my dragonfly photography and other nature stuff, a Ricoh GR or something similar for 'walkaround' and/or an m43 system for more general photography (but not for the dragonflies due to lack of suitable lenses and EVF issues).

Some nice options there. m43 is becoming more & more viable as a DSLR alternative, especially once the f/2.8 tele is available, and then if they can get one or two high quality tele options out.

If m43 provides a competitive f/2.8 tele prime (150-200mm nominal, fast AF, light/compact, good close-up capability and still affordable) I might chose that for dragonflies etc. instead of my current option (Canon 6D). That would make the choice simple. But I'm not holding my breath, the bright m43 teles tend to be very expensive. Also I still have my reservations regarding the EVF compared to a high quality DSLR finder.

I'm using a D7000 with 16-85, 70-200/2.8, 35/1.8 and 85/1.8. If I were buying all over again, I'd have to seriously consider the EM1. It does a lot of things better than the D7000, but some things worse - a tough enough comparison to want to possibly rent them and compare them.

Yes, for general photography m43 has become competitive with many APS-C options. Not 'better' but certainly smaller/lighter, more likely to have it with you - and usually good enough.

I think the Sony A7 cameras are a step in the right direction, and comparing them with m43 size/weight is interesting.

It's interesting because until it came along, you pretty much knew you were going big for IQ or you were going small. (In between meant APS-C). Now there's an in between with FF IQ, particularly if you don't need long teles.

I started photography long ago with the Olympus OM-2 that was brand new at the time and a breath of fresh air: as good as the competition but MUCH smaller and lighter. I always longed for a digital FF body the size of OM-2, with compact lenses and a big and high quality viewfinder. Sony A7 is the first product that comes close in size / weight - but the shutter is loud, the AF isn't great, there is the shutter shock issue, total lack of suitable lenses (especially WA range) etc. etc.

Maybe in a few years the Sony A7 series bodies will be as refined as Olympus EM1 now, and there will be a decent set of native lenses to chose from. However, my experience with Sony over many years is that while they make brilliant one-off designs (like DSC-F and RX series) they severely lack commitment to the existing user base.

I'm with you 100% there. I switched from Sony to Nikon for a variety of reasons, all centered around my impression that Sony isn't building a cohesive system with photographers in mind. They're building products, and too frequently with consumers in mind. I also have a NEX-5 which I chose over m43 because Sony was promising lenses including a portrait prime, and m43 had no sign of a portrait prime. Several years on, Sony still doesn't have a portrait prime AFAIC (Sony things the 50/1.8 is it) while Oly has both the 45/1.8 and 75/1.8. I'd probably dump the NEX kit in favor of Fuji or Oly, but ultimately found that (a) I don't really like having two systems and (b) the mirrorless is too much of a 'tweener for me; too big to be pocketable, but not as capable as a DSLR ... certainly preferable in some situations, but then handicapped by lens selection.

I really liked the NEX5/6 but I had similar reservations as I have now with A7, and for good reasons IMHO; I'm glad I didn't buy into this system. Sony clearly is foremost an electronics company, not an optical company like Nikon, Canon and Olympus.

The 'tweener aspect really hit home with I bought the RX100 and found it preferable to the NEX as a compact alternative to my DSLR. The IQ is a close enough match when comparing to the kit zoom on the NEX, neither has an EVF, while the RX100 has a better LCD (minus the tilting), and the RX100 has a better user interface. And fits in my pockets. I'll even carry it alongside my DSLR to have a WA option without having to change lenses.

It's funny - Fuji is doing a system well. Olympus and Panasonic got off to a really slow start, with tons of redundant and uninteresting zooms, but they had a big head start and really filled out their lineups nicely. But I'm getting the impression that any new product development at Nikon and Canon is being done by people who don't really understand the needs of photographers, while the legacy systems are being developed using the same old formulas (good for consistency, but not a lot of innovation). We see great lens updates coming out, but not much creativity in focal lengths for APS-C, for instance.

I'm afraid development at Nikon and especially Canon is mostly influenced by the bean counters and not the engineers and photographers inside the company. There sure is a lack of commitment (similar to what happens at Sony) with APS-C lenses and mirrorless systems like Nikon V1, Canon EOS-M.

RX1, RX10 and RX100 are all brilliant, but they all have some quirks or strange design decisions (for me ...). But I'm keeping an eye on the series

I think it's a blast to watch it all unfold ... it evolves over years, but is as much fun as watching .. I dunno .. Downton Abbey ? (I don't watch TV !) Who makes money; who builds market share; what new technologies impact photographers; who's trying to protect legacy products; who was keeping the biggest secret; what's the next big flop ? It's a very interesting industry to follow.

agree here as well. I don't suffer from GAS so I'll just watch it unfold and bite when something compelling comes along that really helps my photography. For now going from APS-C Canon DSLR to FF DSLR is a relatively safe step, I have just one APS-C lens so the upgrade cost is relatively small and I can keep working just like I am used to

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