A reminder for some memebers as to what the F stop is all about.

Started Jan 26, 2014 | Discussions thread
CollBaxter
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Re: A simple Yes or No.

Great Bustard wrote:

CollBaxter wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

gsergei wrote:

Or why the light meter doesn't care.

Hello, again.

Let me repeat my point:

Given the same light source conditions and ISO setting the illumination, measured in lumens, received by any size of sensor is equal across all formats (no Ifs , no buts) , when cameras are set to the same A , S, ISO values. So, in practical terms this means, that the illumination received by my tiny c7070 at 125/5.6 and ISO 100 is exactly the same as on the so called FF sensor camera set to the same values. This will result in the same picture brightness/darkness , subject to DR and noise differences.

No one that I'm aware of claims that f/2 will not result in the same exposure regardless of format or focal length for a given scene luminance and shutter speed.

Please, do not feed me things like "amount of light", "sensor area", "light power" , "bigger lens opening" etc. and try to operate , using known physical terms and concepts.

If the difference between the amount of light per area that falls on the sensor (exposure), and the total amount of light the sensor records is difficult to understand, well...

Is the amount/intensity of light on a say a square cm at the center 4/3 , APS-C , APS-H , 1 inch , FF , 36X49 sensors at say f/2.8 not equal ?

A simple Yes or No.

Yes. Now, if you would return the favor:

For a given perspective, framing, and shutter speed will f/2 on 4/3 result in a photo with the same DOF as f/4 on FF as well as project the same total amount of light on the sensor, resulting in the same noise if the sensors are equally efficient?

A simple Yes or No.

Now, if I could trouble you for one more yes/no question:

We take a pic of the same scene from the same position at:

  • 50mm f/2 1/200 ISO 400 on 4/3
  • 100mm f/2 1/200 ISO 400 on FF
  • 100mm f/4 1/200 ISO 1600 on FF

Thanks for the answer . So a F/2.8 lens is a F/2.8 lens as far as light transmission , no mater what the sensor size is.

As to the DOF we will all agree that DOF at the same F stop on different size senors are different. ( Hell I have been on this forum long enough to understand that) . Noise is another issue.

Theatricality the first and the last would produce about the same noise and DOF and field of view . ( Assuming 2 stops advantage for the FF)

With the second having the least noise and shallowest DOF with the same field of view.

It's all in the 2 Stops.

Now lets raise the sensor density to the same as the 4/3 camera. and what do we get. ?

Other than the second example having less DOF. A 64MP sensor would be about just as noisy on a FF never mind the corner and edge fall off , with the last example being the most noisy. The only advantage would be DOF control.

and display the photos at the same size. Assuming the sensors are roughly the same efficiency, in what way will the photos be similar and in what way will they be different?

T
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