Two more nails in the DSLR coffin...what is left?

Started Jan 28, 2014 | Discussions thread
ragmanjin Contributing Member • Posts: 959
Re: Two more nails in the DSLR coffin...what is left?

bigpigbig wrote:

stimpy wrote:

Ontario Gone wrote:

stimpy wrote:

Mirroless can't compete with the focus speed of DSLRs yet, I believe one day they will, but it doesn't look like happening any time soon,

How can you say this? A matter of days ago, nobody could have predicted the new Fuji with this kind of EVF, other than Fuji connected people of course. It just hit us, bam!! How do you know somebody else won't do the same with on sensor PDAF? You have no idea what's in the works, and if you judge the future by what was made yesterday, you will miss the boat. You seem to be pessimistic and simply hoping for PDAF to take it's time. In reality, you have no idea.

I'll say it again. Mirrorless cannot compete with the focus speed (or tracking) of DSLRS. What happens in 2, 5, 25 years time is totally irrelevant. Right now, this they cannot compete. So people who want that will keep buying DSLRs rather than mirroless systems. Pretty simple.

Mirrorless is getting closer, but if size and bulk isn't a factor, a DSLR is a much better tool for pretty much everything and I can't see that changing any time soon.

Im sure you can't see it, but i guess Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus, Kodak, Sony, and Samsung do. Not to mention Canon

Well they certainly want it to, but looking at sales figure. Nope, not yet, and not for a loooong time (if ever)

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"Run to the light, Carol Anne. Run as fast as you can!"

I dumped my DSLR 3 years ago for a mirrorless system and couldn't be happier; but to think the best mirrorless competes with the best DSLRs is absurd. I just don't get why people even bother.

Is this what "fanboy" means?


This thread is about the future.

The is NO DOUBT about the present. That is why I have a D4 and a D800e.

BUT, to be honest, the sensors in DSLRs have gotten so good that there is really no reason to upgrade. The 36mp of the D800e is as much resolution as I will EVER need. I can print as big as I want with it. The low light and durability of the D3s was the pinnacle. The D4 added 4mp but not much else.

The APS-C mirrorless cameras are not even close. But even you agree, they will be. Slowly, but surely, the gap between DSLR and mirrorless is closing. That is a certainty. There will eventually be an APS-C sensor that is as good as the D4 or D800e is today. (In my opinion, as good as is EVER needed).

Computers reached this point about 5 years ago. Unless one is doing very specialized tasks, they are more than most people need.

There are features that WILL catch up.

I think there are others that may NEVER catch up.

This thread was supposed to be about identifying those features.

Some have done so already.

Do you have some to add?

Sorry, but in my opinion the D800 is crap at anything above 400 ISO if you're doing large prints. I've used this camera EXTENSIVELY, and while the high ISO shots were better than my 7-year-old medium format digital back (the one I used for every shot at or below ISO 400), so I'm no stranger to its quirks. I didn't use it as a backup, I used it as a less-terrible alternative for high-ISO work.

Now that that's on the table, I want to argue one point with you: You say the D800 is all you'll ever need, but until I see a sensor in eight or 15 years that has a DR, noise and colour sensitivity value in RAW that's a flat line on the chart at base ISO through 6400 or 12,800 rather than a constant downhill, there is no sensor I'll never upgrade. I'm sure you'll feel the same when that camera exists.

For now, though, you're totally right and your points were well made in a very diplomatic manner. Thank you for existing


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