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X-E2, What to think

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EugeneC said:
57LowRider said:
EugeneC said:
That's the price you have to pay for those eye popping jpegs. But the best is yet to come, my X-E1 is for sale on 4 different forums with nary a bite at $400. I bought the X-E2 thinking the sale of the X-E1 would make a sizable dent in the cost of the the X-E2. Wrong, it has depreciated from $1000 last May to less than $400 7 months later. I never seen resale take a dive like this and I have had and have a ton of cameras. My own feeling is that this body is worth $700 tops. JMO, let the flames begin.
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I paid the equivalent of $1200 for my X-E1 on release but I've enjoyed it so much these last 13 months that I think it money well spent. Anyone picking up a good used copy for $400 has an absolute bargain on their hands, especially with another firmware update on the way. By the time I've finished with mine, I'll be giving it away to someone who'll appreciate it.

The monetary value of digital cameras nowadays follows that of consumer electronics rather than the film cameras of old. If you buy with that idea in mind, it would save disappointment later.
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I'm happy for you if you feel that way, seriously. But Fuji seems to adhere to the faults of consumer electronics more so than the others. If you find that acceptable, I admire your ability to take a major hit. No camera body that I know of drops at the same rate as Fuji to the point of being almost unsellable at a very reasonable price in 7 months. That is my point. I still maintain it's a $700 camera.
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You are kidding right? You bought a camera as an investment?

A camera is only an investment to a pro who will use it to make money. Otherwise, it's a toy for people to cApture memories and have some fun.

It's not the camera that makes him money. It's his eye, his skill, and his sales ability. The camera is just a tool. Try and resell a hammer. Same issue. The carpenter bought it to make something, not to hold or grow in value.

D
 
Still Image said:
Well, it got sorta rough, but all in all you guys have been pretty decent.

I decided to show you why I think the camera is compromised by being built too lightly. The first two photos shows what hapens with the curve of the top plate. On one side it appears to be split, but it really isn't in my opinion. But the other side shows how it got that way. Instead of a flowing curve, the top plate is pressed to something underneath that is not uniform. A thicker metal would have held its shape regardless what is underneath. Again, in my opinion. Note, I held a D600 with a 50mm in one hand and the Fuji in the other, so no cracks about me being shakey.

That split bottom plate has another problem. One side seems to be kicked down a little, so it is uneven at the joint. Again, I think a heavier piece would have been more uniform.

And the last photo of the "rubs" also shows how one side of the bottom plate seems warped or something.

So, in conclusion: The camera takes fantastic photos. But it just is not worth $1000. It is not built well enough.

I'm not knocking Fuji. I don't do that lightly because Fuji is a good company offering an alternative to the myriad 4/3 cameras and other travel-light wannbes. I just think the price is too high. I believe the reason might be the cost of the sensor, but they have to forget about this lighter-than-air stuff. Put a little meat on there and take my money.
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Do you know what Anal Retentive means?

You are looking for excuses to return the camera.

Please, do it. I beg you. Otherwise, send it to me, I'll add 2-4lbs to it and sell it back to you for $1,000 more.

Unbelievable
 
CameraGuyTV said:
I don't want you to be a Pro. I don't think you are one.

Having read your reply, I stand by my opinion, you need to return the camera and stick with your Nikon system. You have no clue what this little system offers or is capable of.

In the old days, film was film. It was the lens that mattered. That's a fact. Sorry if you don't like it. Today, the sensor matters too in the camera, but at the end of the day, you will have the lenses for longer than the camera. That's an experienced opinion. Not interested in debating it. The car analogy is stupid. Sorry.

You are comfortable with the build, and design of the Nikon DSLR. Great, me too. So, return the camera, stick with what you like.

Why should we be burdened trying to convince you to like something most of us in this forum love.

Why post your opinion in a forum where people LOVE this system and expect anything but decenting opinions.

Always amazes me.

D
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No clue? Is it possible or even probable I have at least one clue?

Your experience runs contrary to the facts. SLR lenses are bought and sold more frequently than cameras. Check out ebay, in case you have not had the experience of that.

Yes, I am comfortable with Nikon cameras, and thanks to your suggestion I will keep them. I probably wouldn't have, otherwise.

I didn't burden you with convincing me of anything. You took that on yourself. I was simply sharing my thoughts on a new Fuji camera. You were simply trying to present yourself as the last-word authority on photography, and you are still doing so. Don't you feel full of yourself just a little?
 
CameraGuyTV said:
Still Image said:
Well, it got sorta rough, but all in all you guys have been pretty decent.

I decided to show you why I think the camera is compromised by being built too lightly. The first two photos shows what hapens with the curve of the top plate. On one side it appears to be split, but it really isn't in my opinion. But the other side shows how it got that way. Instead of a flowing curve, the top plate is pressed to something underneath that is not uniform. A thicker metal would have held its shape regardless what is underneath. Again, in my opinion. Note, I held a D600 with a 50mm in one hand and the Fuji in the other, so no cracks about me being shakey.

That split bottom plate has another problem. One side seems to be kicked down a little, so it is uneven at the joint. Again, I think a heavier piece would have been more uniform.

And the last photo of the "rubs" also shows how one side of the bottom plate seems warped or something.

So, in conclusion: The camera takes fantastic photos. But it just is not worth $1000. It is not built well enough.

I'm not knocking Fuji. I don't do that lightly because Fuji is a good company offering an alternative to the myriad 4/3 cameras and other travel-light wannbes. I just think the price is too high. I believe the reason might be the cost of the sensor, but they have to forget about this lighter-than-air stuff. Put a little meat on there and take my money.
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Do you know what Anal Retentive means?

You are looking for excuses to return the camera.

Please, do it. I beg you. Otherwise, send it to me, I'll add 2-4lbs to it and sell it back to you for $1,000 more.

Unbelievable
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How moronic is that post?
 
kewlguy said:
I agree. Even though X-E1/2 are rather 'lightly' built - both still serve the purpose superbly. They're just electronic devices made to adapt those excellent Fuji lenses and take pictures. I think some people just have too much time - and why not go out and take photos? ;)
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The X-E2 compared to my Pentax K5 IIs is a light-weight as far a build goes.. the Pentax is weather-sealed and built like a tank.. it has heft, etc.... but guess what? The X-E2 out performs it in IQ... and the K5 IIs is no slouch.

I use the X-E2 as my "with me all the time camera"... the K5 IIs is for concerts, action, wet weather and night photography... the X-E2 covers everything else. It's all about the right tool for the job.. even if the right tool has a lesser build than my other camera... and that is not saying that the X-E2 has a poor build.. I disagree with that premise.. but it is certainly not built as well as the K5 IIs.
 
CameraGuyTV said:
EugeneC said:
57LowRider said:
EugeneC said:
That's the price you have to pay for those eye popping jpegs. But the best is yet to come, my X-E1 is for sale on 4 different forums with nary a bite at $400. I bought the X-E2 thinking the sale of the X-E1 would make a sizable dent in the cost of the the X-E2. Wrong, it has depreciated from $1000 last May to less than $400 7 months later. I never seen resale take a dive like this and I have had and have a ton of cameras. My own feeling is that this body is worth $700 tops. JMO, let the flames begin.
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I paid the equivalent of $1200 for my X-E1 on release but I've enjoyed it so much these last 13 months that I think it money well spent. Anyone picking up a good used copy for $400 has an absolute bargain on their hands, especially with another firmware update on the way. By the time I've finished with mine, I'll be giving it away to someone who'll appreciate it.

The monetary value of digital cameras nowadays follows that of consumer electronics rather than the film cameras of old. If you buy with that idea in mind, it would save disappointment later.
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I'm happy for you if you feel that way, seriously. But Fuji seems to adhere to the faults of consumer electronics more so than the others. If you find that acceptable, I admire your ability to take a major hit. No camera body that I know of drops at the same rate as Fuji to the point of being almost unsellable at a very reasonable price in 7 months. That is my point. I still maintain it's a $700 camera.
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You are kidding right? You bought a camera as an investment?

A camera is only an investment to a pro who will use it to make money. Otherwise, it's a toy for people to cApture memories and have some fun.

It's not the camera that makes him money. It's his eye, his skill, and his sales ability. The camera is just a tool. Try and resell a hammer. Same issue. The carpenter bought it to make something, not to hold or grow in value.

D
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Yeah, I'm kidding really. I expected the value to grow exponentially, if you can understand. I fully expected the camera to reduce in value a $100 a month, that's reasonable right. Eventually I'll put the battery up and sell it for more. Glad that you understand economics.
 
Member said:
Your experience runs contrary to the facts. SLR lenses are bought and sold more frequently than cameras. Check out ebay, in case you have not had the experience of that.
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Honestly, people buy into one system or another. There are pros that use Nikon bodies, because they have a collection of Nikon glass. Same for Canon.

If you want to spend some real money, be one of those guys who sell your system every time something that is new comes out.

You will waste tons of money, and make some bargain hunters happy.

Seeing lenses for sale on eBay is not proof of anything, other than that people sell lenses.

Like I said, pros keep to one system. Now with great compacts like the mirrorless, sometimes two.

I bought into micro 4/3rds in 2009. I decided to switch to the Fuji x system as my compact. I have a great quality gf1, 2 lenses, batteries and a viewfinder that I spent $2K on that is worth on trade $300.

Oh, I also have several thousand images I would not have taken without it.

No regrets, none at all

D
 
Jim Radcliffe said:
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Because only the image quality matters.

I think when we spend a lot of money we want something well made, works well, makes great images, lasts a long time, is a joy to use, makes photography easier and more enjoyable.

Post your holiday photos taken with that 8 x 10,

maljo
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Obviously you know little about me.
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Perhaps as much as you know about the OP?
 
dark13star said:
I don't get it. You are paying for it to be light. A heavier camera could be cheaper, using less magnesium. The whole point of a mirrorless system is to be small and light. To me, the xe2 feels well-built and light and that is what I want. I've traveled with my xe1, including hiking and climbing trips, and yes, it does get scuffed, but that is cosmetic. It doesn't get damaged. It's not like my Nex 7, which felt like fragile electronics and didn't hold up well.

The "fragile" feeling passes as you use the camera. Enjoy it and take some great shots in low light.
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Personally (I'm not the OP) I prefer small and dense over light; and for the same reason that I want to have a sense of quality. I think this issue is more a matter of density: the smaller camera can be substantially lighter than a bigger camera and yet be dense enough that it feels substantial. Heavy for its size, but still lighter than a DSLR. I love to handle my minty Pentax manual focus primes s-m-c lenses because partly because they are so darned heavy. I totally get the Leica thing: thumpingly dense with top glass, the one goes with the other.

When it comes to smart phones I prefer both light and small. Ideally I would want heavy and small, for the above reason, but the problem is that a heavy phone pulls on a jacket or on trousers. One has to be practical. For an older person or someone taking a lot of kit, then I can imagine they won't be grudging the lightness of the XE. But it'll sure be missing some part of that customer satisfaction equation.

In the meantime, most of the lenses are not following the "mirrorless means light-weight" doctrine, so it's not like Fuji can have had weight as a top priority for the XE. It feels light because the body is cheap.

I think at the very least that they should have put some lead in to that body.
 
Well, everything is a compromise... Could the XE-1/2 be better built? Sure it could, but then it would be more expensive... The XE series cameras are built of metal and plastic. I can understand the feel of "hollowness" one gets from the camera, for sure it doe snot feel very rugged or robust.

But for me, it is robust enough, I just added a Fuji grip to get a more "hefty" combination with the lens. I also like to feel a little bit more weight, even in small cameras, it helps steadying the shot. I also don't like the uneven and "gappy" seem at the bottom, but the grip takes care of it...
 
It all comes down to price and value, if the OP doesn't feel the value outweighs the price he will be unhappy. I tend to agree with him in that I think the price of some of these camera outweighs the value. When I spend my money I appreciate the build and the quality of the build as part of the value. I returned a GX 7 for much the same reason it just didn't feel like I thought a $1000.00+ camera should feel to me. On the other hand my Ricoh GR feels like a quailty build to me. For the record I am 70 years old and remember cameras that felt like quality, tight fit on the seams etc, my Contax Aria comes to mind.
 
itsastickup said:
itsastickup said:
I think this issue is more a matter of density: the smaller camera can be substantially lighter than a bigger camera and yet be dense enough that it feels substantial. Heavy for its size, but still lighter than a DSLR.
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Anyone who thinks the X-E body feels too light should check out Fuji's accessory grip. It adds just the right amount of heft and control -- really transforms the feel of the camera.
 
Same for the lenses. Although the obsolescence cycle for digital cameras is annoying, it doesn't limit one's ability to take good photos with a five-year-old model. I certainly miss the tactile feel of the F (I preferred the plain prisms), I am drawn to the EX-2's aperture/shutter/manual focus controls.
 
precognito said:
Same for the lenses. Although the obsolescence cycle for digital cameras is annoying, it doesn't limit one's ability to take good photos with a five-year-old model. I certainly miss the tactile feel of the F (I preferred the plain prisms), I am drawn to the EX-2's aperture/shutter/manual focus controls.
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Yep, so is the Ford Mustang from 1965.

In Cameras, Most Leica lenses are more valuable, many of their bodies too.

It's a rarity for sure.

D
 
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