Once in a year opportunity : ) .... messed up. : (

Started Dec 1, 2013 | Discussions thread
OP GeorgianBay1939 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,037
Re: Once in a year opportunity : ) .... messed up. : (

clengman wrote:

It blows my mind that more people aren't following the point you've tried to make about exposing for the highlights in this shot rather than for the overall scene.

Mine too. But I am not nearly as experienced a photog as you, and thought that I didn't explain it well enough.

It's clear that, like you're trying to point out, you could have used a fast lens, fast shutter and base ISO to freeze motion AND expose the lights on the train at close to the clipping point.

Right. It took me a little thinking to realize that.

The question for me is whether you would have had enough good noise-free detail in the shadows to provide the context that you want in addition to the bright lights on the train. I'm certain that my e-pl1 wouldn't have done a very good job with it. I know the new sensors are much better. Are they really that much better?

That was my question too. I looked at the converted image in Lightroom with no shadow adjustment and realized that the snow and rails in front of the train had lots of exposure to give good brightness (admittedly at ISO 800, an analogue gain of 2 stops ). The image I posted was virtually unchanged with the shadow slider.   I did pull down the White and Highlight sliders to reduce the blowing/clipping of the coloured lights.

Here is a screen shot of the unadulterated Lightroom version:

( I have to use DNG because I haven't yet upgraded LR to 5.3, which I need for GX7 .RW2 files.)

I left the black and highlight clipping indicators on for the above screen shot. A lot of the red, blue and some green lights show red due to the indicators.... and the headlights of course.

Here is the RawDigger rendering :

The clipping indicators are turned off.  45k overexposed, 10M underexposed

So about 6M are salvageable.   All that snow/rail in front of the loco is fine, as it is.  No boosting is needed.

Your question relates to how many stops can I recover without excessive noise (when I reduce 1)exposure by a few stops and 2) analog gain by a few stops.

Gain first:

Yeah, I reduce gain by two stops by decreasing ISO (from 800 to 200), but (I THINK) that I get ~1.5 back from the DR as a function of ISO curve in DxOMark.  This one:

DR, in EV, as a function of measured ISO.

So the above deals with the ISO issue.  I think.  Can you confirm this, please?

The other issue deals with exposure.

Lets say that I dropped the exposure by (EV) 3 stops from what was taken.   Would I be able to recover that (in the snow above.) using the Shadow slider in Lightroom?

I don't know how to calculate this but I suspect, from other stuff that I played with that I could probably recover 3 or 4 stops, maybe more.   And it is on this point that I look to you competent folks for some good advice.

As I write this I can think of a  test to make some night.... take repeated shots of illuminated ground/snow at varying EV.... for different ISOs ... and see what I can recover in Lightroom.   That way I can confirm my conclusions re the ISO issue above.  And I can see how many stops (EV) I can recover in Lightroom using the Shadow slider.  While I'm at it I will have to find some sort of specular lights / dark area to  see how my metering really works.

Thank you very much for working through my stuff and (hopefully) helping with some critique/suggestions re above.


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