The worst thing about the DF is the Disappointment

Started Nov 9, 2013 | Discussions thread
marike6 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,088
Re: Without using it, who knows how close or not close Nikon came

David314 wrote:

marike6 wrote:

David314 wrote:

Kodachrome200 wrote:

So lots of folks have been calling the retro DF ill conceived but I dont think that is true. I think it was a staggeringly good idea they just forgot to include anything good about the idea in the actual camera.

What is disappointing to me is how brilliant the idea is and how close nikon came to a great camera but didn't

it is like your team making it to the championship and losing by one point from an obvious mistake, it hurts more

mounting old nikon glass and pairing it with the d4 sensor? Brilliant

not improving the focus aid, with at least >*< becoming >>>>>>>>>*<<<<<<< argh

Perhaps until you try to manually focus with AI Nikkors on the Df, you won't know how easy or difficult it is.

actually since I do shoot manually using the existing green dot as a focus aid, I do know how hard or not it is to manually focus

a fusion design with dial for ISO brilliant - putting the ISO and exposure comp on left argh

Unless people have really long thumbs, it doesn't seem like reaching a right side ISO dial would be possible.

I wonder how they will reach the shutter speed dial on the Df since this ISO dial is in the same place

In that case, it seems to make more sense on the left as all you have to do is remove your left hand from supporting the lens and change ISO which can be achieved while looking through the VF.

exactly you have to move your hand to change the dial, you didn't even have to pick up the camera to make that observation

the one stop shutter speed dial should have been removed and this is what the top should look like for a fusion camera

The price is what it is but it is disappointingly high compared with the d800, especially in europe

the rumor of a sub $2k dslr was very exciting and a stripped down less expensive version would have been better received

2fps, 9 point af, spot meter only, no hdmi, no usb, no side connections, fewer body buttons, no top lcd, no flash sync out, 36 frame buffer $1750 us

and the in you hands campaign very well done and then the kit lens doesn't have an aperture ring?

So you don't care if they remove the shutter speed dial but the fact that the kit lens doesn't have an aperture ring is a big deal?


Why would Nikon totally redesign AF Nikkors like the 50 f/1.8G when there are tons of AI Nikkors already in production for users who prefer manual aperture lenses? Sounds like a bit of a waste of resources to redesign or make a whole set of manual aperture, AF Nikkors. But perhaps that is something Nikon is planning. We don't know.

A "redesigned" 50 f1.8 with a silver ring is a waste of resources

But I do have to wonder why some are so willing to write off this camera as a "poor implementation" without shooting with it?

Somethings are obvious, as you pointed out yourself, and some things like specs are obvious too, like fps and if you have experience you know if that is enough for your intended use

Obviously the Df is a bit of a fusion of a modern AF DSLR with a manual SLR. But isn't it better for Nikon to produce a camera with more widespread appeal than a more niche all manual camera with center weighted metering and a split prism finder?

Since it appears to not fully cater to the retro niche and doesn't fully cater to the modern niche, I think it clearly falls into a worst of both worlds niche so I would say, no,

on the other hand if it had 8 fps with the 51 point af, (the mythical d700 replacement) better manual focus aid and a little more logical lineup on top of the camera (a worthy camera for old and new manual focus lenses) then yes, and they could have sold it for $3500

So perhaps the Df is not for you. That doesn't make the implementation bad or poorly thoughout. It makes it an implementation designed to appeal to as many Nikon users as possible, a camera that is equally at home with AF lenses as it is with MF lenses. A design intended to combine elements that appeal modern AF Nikon shooters longing for the superb low-light performance of the D4 sensor at a fraction of the D4 cost. And one also intended to appeal to users who prefer a slower, more methodical, traditional approach to photography and that also offers full compatability with pretty much all F-mount lenses ever made.

Early user reports by Nikon experts like Bjorn Rorslett are that the viewfinder is significantly easier for manually focussing than the D800. I'm not sure why users here who haven't seen or shot with the Df are writing it off as a poor implementation, but I suspect if the price had been an impossibly low $2000, those users would have been far less in number.

as built it is a camera that doesn't really officer any compelling features beyond the d800 and d600, and the price is a bit much just to get what is essentially a d600 with the d4 sensor

Compelling features?

  • It offers the D4 sensor with its large 7.3μm pixel pitch
  • smaller, more manageable files more appropriate for high volume shooters much like the D700.
  • Better build quality and less generic, more unique design
  • smallest, lightest FF DSLR on the market
  • It offers a dedicated AF-ON button, one of the number one complaints of D600 owners
  • From the Camera Store and Bjorn Rorlsett preview, it apparently offers the best, most modern LiveView implementation of any Nikon DSLR
  • it offers a totally different philosophy than a typical DSLR like the D600 in the form of mechanical exposure dials
  • Better battery life
  • Quieter shutter than both D600 and D800

To each his own.  I think it looks like it's going to be a great camera and I will buy one for sure. Since I already have a D800, the D610 is not so interesting to me.  YMMV.

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