Boehner: "There will be no unconditional surrender"

Started Oct 9, 2013 | Discussions thread
edwardaneal Veteran Member • Posts: 9,101
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ljfinger wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

ljfinger wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Jeff Charles wrote:

TrapperJohn wrote:

A substantial number of voters, as expressed through their representatives, do not like how Obamacare was done.

Regardless, it's the law,

who cares if its the law - laws get changed all of the time - why is you think this law is some how special and can never be changed?

democrats are always trying to change our gun laws and I am sure you are good with that - so whats the difference?

They aren't a minority holding the country and the President hostage to do it. They are doing it legally.

Republicans and many americans want changes to the ACA

Yeah - about 1/3 of the people do.

56% of the people want the personal mandate delayed. Obama has delayed other mandates, why cant he give the Republicans this when a majority of Americans are for it?

About a third want what the Repubs are demanding - delay, defund or repeal. Regardless, the budget bills should be about the budget

how can the funding of Obamacare not be a part of any budget - it has to be funded and that is money that the government has to spend that otherwise could be spent on other things

and the debt limit shouldn't even exist. Using them to demand changes to an unrelated law is a heritage foundation level of dishonesty.

I dont believe the republicans have tied any changes to Obamacare to the debt ceiling - I have only heard that they want spending cuts and everyone has known they would want these since the last time we were doing this

Of course I could be completely wrong, so if you can show me any data that shows that obamacare conditions have been linked to raising the debt ceiling I will happily admit that that should not be done.

As a side question do you think it is good that we have to borrow to pay back what we already borrowed? - that is what they are saying, that we will default? personally I would think we could still pay our debts and just cut way back on new spending - of course this would have to be a decision of the administration so who knows which way they would go - they seem to like to make it painful to the people in order to get what they want

you might find this interesting

"We bring in in tax revenue about 12 times as much money as it takes to pay our interest on our debt. There is no way that any Treasury secretary or administration would willfully choose to have the catastrophic results that would occur if we actually defaulted on our debt when it's not necessary. So this is pretty well understood in financial circles. You see Treasury prices have barely moved through this entire episode. But I've got legislation that would simply codify and formalize the obligation to make sure that under no circumstances we would default on our debt. Interestingly, the White House doesn't want that legislation. They've threatened to veto it precisely because they want to be able to hold the specter of a catastrophe in front of Republicans to cow us and intimidate us into giving the president what he wants, which is a whole lot of additional borrowing authority with no reforms whatsoever, and I think that's irresponsible."

so he, the Senator, has proposed legislation that would guarantee we can never default and Obama has said he would veto it - - - - why do you think that is??

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