ISOless sensors, read noise and photography - many questions!

Started Oct 3, 2013 | Discussions thread
panos_m Senior Member • Posts: 1,499
Re: ISOless sensors, read noise and photography - many questions!

Steen Bay wrote:

panos_m wrote:

Steen Bay wrote:

Elyharbour wrote:

As someone with a science background, but no specific knowledge in the field of electronic imaging, I hesitate to jump in here and ask a question...but here goes.

From what I glean from this and other recent ISO related threads, when I turn up the base ISO value on any camera, beyond a certain point I'm no longer increasing the electronic "gain" "amplification" or whatever it should be called, and further increasing ISO is doing no more than would be achieved by increasing exposure in Lightroom - noise, detail, etc, is going to be approximately the same (forgive my over-simplification, but in essence, that's what I think I'm reading).

If this is the case, then so long as I'm happy with a "dark" photo on the camera screen, I could limit ISO to say 800 or some other value and correct accordingly in PP. But, as this value will vary from camera-to-camera, the only way to find out what it should be, is to try it and compare results. Ie. there is no magic formula we can all apply.

Is this broadly speaking correct?

Yes, that's pretty much it. If you shoot at e.g. ISO 800 instead of ISO 3200 (same f-stop/shutter speed), then you'll get 2 stops more of highlight headroom. That's a nice thing of course, but on the other hand, if you didn't blow important highlights at ISO 3200, then you don't really gain anything.

Two gains. Smaller file sizes. No need to meter.

Right, but if you don't meter and just shoot away at base ISO regardless of the lighting, then you won't really know how much noise you'll get in the final image when increasing the brightness afterwards. The ISO is the cameras noise/exposure meter, so to speak.

I understand what you say but if you choose the minimum shutter speed you can handhold then you will get the minimum amount of noise for the particular circumstance. Why the need to know the noise amount in advance?

An example from sometime ago. At a stage shooting I set up the D3 like this:

On you can get an idea about where your camera becomes 'ISO-less' (the ISO at which the read noise is about as low as it gets), but always a good idea to test it yourself. (click on a camera to see more data)

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