Sony mirrorless FullFrame!?!?

Started Oct 4, 2013 | Discussions thread
sean lancaster
sean lancaster Veteran Member • Posts: 7,259
Re: utterly silly statement ...

LTZ470 wrote:

sean lancaster wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

EarthQuake wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

BonoBox wrote:

this is a really bad news!! after all the money invested in the m4/3 system

i hope the rumors are not real

Why? Do you have an agreement with Sony that demands that you automatically dump m4/3 and buy their very expensive new system?

Also, do you understand how large a FF system will be with lenses with any reach at all? Answer: the lenses will be as big as the lenses on any FF camera. The good ones are HUGE.

So ... stop wringing your hands over a choice you already have made. The D600 is reasonably small for FF and you have chosen to go with something smaller anyway. End of story ...

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If you shoot wide-short telephoto the lens don't need to be that much bigger, sure they will be bigger, but you can also say, get more use out of a F2 prime on a FF sensor than a F1.4 prime on a M43rds sensor (better noise perf on FF means you can up ISO higher, F2 gives more DOF control than F1.4 on MFT). Leica makes plenty of small lenses below 100mm range (not that I'm suggesting Sony = Leica, just that it is quite possible to do). Because of the short flange distance, lenses (especially wide angles) can be smaller than DSLR FF lenses. There should be a significant size/weight gain over a Nikon D600 for instance.

Where things get silly is when you try to put a telephoto lens on a FF mirrorless camera. Good luck with a 200-600mm lens on a mirrorless FF camera hehe.

For me I would be very interested in this Sony camera, but it looks like it will not have IBIS, which is pretty much a deal breaker for me.

Wide lens don't work so well on Nex-7 APS-C E-mount already, the Sony 10-18 already shades the right hand side of the photos with magenta cast, and Nex FF will be even worse unless you use the A-Mount which is exactly what they intend on doing via adapter...and that my friends suks...the only reason I would want a FF Nex is for Landscapes, thats it...but if it doesn't work well with wide lens then thats a deal breaker...

Sony already has a full frame camera in the NEX-VG900 and the reports are that it works without vignetting with all full frame lenses:

I should point out that I have a pancake 20mm Voigtlander Color Skopar on my Canon 6D. Once I start shooting wide angle, I sort of prefer manual focus. I am fine with the quality I get with this tiny lens and 20 is as wide as I'd want for FF. I suspect the FF NEX coming out will be just fine for landscape shooters.

Wide lens don't work so well on Nex-7 APS-C E-mount

the Sony 10-18 already shades the right hand side of the photos with magenta cast

Nex FF will be even worse unless you use the A-Mount which is exactly what they intend on doing via adapter

Who wants to buy Sony A-Mounts?, so unless you already have an A99, not so feasible...the Sony 100-400 is over the top on price and does not have stabilsation...

NONE of the A-Mounts have Stabilisation...

The Nex FF will not have IBIS...only good with shorter lens like RX1...

Shooting wide angle is often done on a tripod so stabilization is typically not desired in those cases. Shooting wide angle handheld means I can shoot at very slow shutter speeds (e.g., 1/20 pretty easily with my 20mm lens). Again, I don't see much need for stabilization on wide angle lenses. Even when I shoot 1/20 then moving leaves in trees become blurry, so I'd much rather shoot around 1/125 and stabilization becomes even less important. Sony tends to add stabilization to their Emount lenses so I suspect they'll do the same with the lenses built for the FF NEX cameras.

Amount lenses aren't bad, per se. I suppose it depends on what lenses you want. I shoot Canon and I don't think any wide angle options are worthwhile except for the Zeiss 21, so that's where I am coming from. Nikon has an awesome 14-24mm, but Canon can't compete here (yes, the 16-35 is supposed to compete, but I found it disappointing). In fact, I suspect the Sony CZ 16-35/2.8 competes quite well against the Canon counterpart (admittedly, I haven't used the Sony CZ or an Amount camera).

But also keep in mind that Sony should be releasing 4 lenses with their upcoming FF cameras, so Amount solutions are only necessary for some people. I have 2 lenses I use on my 6D about 98% of the time: A Sigma 35/1.4 and the Canon 100L 2.8 macro so the whole collection of Canon lenses beyond these 2 focal lengths is pretty meaningless to shooters like me. I am interested in the upcoming FF cameras from Sony, but not until I have native mount solutions for the focal lengths I prefer. I also had the RX1 for 2 months and the AF speed has to be much better for available light shooting on the upcoming FF cameras or I won't even consider them with the right lenses.

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