Thom Hogan: Impact of mFT on Nikon DX line

Started Sep 20, 2013 | Discussions thread
jim stirling
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Re: I am not really sure if they are skimming the cream either ..

rrr_hhh wrote:

jim stirling wrote:

rrr_hhh wrote:

Sergey_Green wrote:

Sean Nelson wrote:

justmeMN wrote:

If Olympus had been aggressive in pricing, the D7100 would have been toast this Christmas.

Oh please. Here (USA), Olympus can't even get their product on store shelves, and have virtually no advertising.

I think that getting stock into stores is the bigger half of the problem. If they price the cameras competitively then I think retailers would be a lot more inclined to stock them. But right now it seems like Panasonic and Olympus are both skimming the cream from the enthusiasts who are willing to pay a premium for their gear.

Here in EU ( and forget about dX )

Nikon D600 (SLR) Gehäuse (VBA340AE) ab €1418,78

Olympus OM-D E-M1 (EVIL) Gehäuse schwarz (V207010BE000) ab €1499,

Canon EOS 6D (SLR) Gehäuse (8035B022) ab €1515,04

I already asked the same question somewhere else, what would you buy for the same money;

  1. the camera that is easier to carry
  2. the camera that will take better images

Many, and those who know what to do with it, take the second option. And so the stores are hardly making any profits on the first. In fact, Olympus imaging division themselves have been losing money for quite some time now, and OM-D is not helping much either.

It isn't as simple as you make it : the real question is how much more weight and bulk people will accept for the marginal IQ they would gain and that marginal IQ increase (which many people didn't really need) comes along with a huge size/weight increase (often the total gear weight is twice as heavy).

To be fair that same argument can be put forward for one camera solutions such as the RX100 which is notably closer in sensor performance to the E-M5 than the E-M5 is to the D800e {all selected for being best in each sensor size} The RX100 has almost exactly the same colour depth and DR as the E-M5 while being a fraction over one stop poorer in high ISO. The D800 on the other hand has a full 2.8 stops colour depth advantage along with, 2 stops DR and 1.7 stops high ISO advantage over the E-M5 along with the extra resolution, I think I would say that is more than a marginal gain.

isn't the RX100 a fixed lens camera ?

Your point seemed to be about size/weight in relation to image quality.,

""how much more weight and bulk people will accept for the marginal IQ they would gain and that marginal IQ increase (which many people didn't really need) comes along with a huge size/weight increase""

The RX100 is a lot closer to the E-M5 than the E-M5 is to the D800 in a lighter smaller package { when lenses are added}

As for marginal gain, eachone values it differently. I happen to use Canons, so my marginal increase is surely less than those having state of the art sensors. Still, there is a bigger leap when you go from very small sensors (iPhone or the smaller entry level compacts) to MFT than going from MFT to FF (especially if it is a Canon FF like mine). Frankly, the E-M5 is at least as good as my Canon 5D1 (indeed it has a better DR), but would you say that going from the 5D1 to the 6D the marginal gain in IQ is phenomenal ? Digital sensors have made such progress that seeing gains like between the E-P3 and the E-M5 is very rare. IMO the improvement you get between an older 12meg Panasonic sensor and the new E-M5 sensor was more important than the improvement I see between the 5D1 and the 6D.

The jump from the the E-P3 to E-M5 was only within Olympus ,Panasonic already had a number of better performing sensors .The jump from the GH2 to E-M5 was less dramatic .The 5D is 8yrs old an antique in digital terms while the E-M5 does indeed have a 1.2 stop advantage in DR , it is behind the 5D in colour depth { just a smidgeon} and even high ISO.|0/%28brand%29/Sony/%28appareil2%29/793|0/%28brand2%29/Olympus/%28appareil3%29/814|0/%28brand3%29/Nikon

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