Ken Rockwell again: "Canon 5DIII/6D are better/far ahead of Nikon D600/D800"

Started Sep 16, 2013 | Discussions thread
antoineb Veteran Member • Posts: 6,624
Do you need "full frame" ?

cosmerodrigues wrote:

In the future I really would like to invest my hard earned money in a D600 with 51AF points and no oil or dust on the sensor...should I?

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two things:

(1) do you need "full frame"?  This is just a marketing term.  In German, where the 24x36mm originated by cutting of a portion from the film format used for movies, it is called "kleinbild", i.e. "small picture".  The larger format gives you:
- shallower depth of field.  But sometimes so shallow, that you might find this a hindrance rather than a help.  There are various DOF calculators on the Web and you can play with focal lengths and decide for yourself.
- better very high ISO.  Most APS-C cameras today will give you very clean images at least up to ISO 3200.  So 24x36 will only be useful if you think you will often need very clean images at, say, ISO 12800.  I know I have personally never needed more than ISO 5000 for any real life shot (I of course have played with higher ISO), and when I did the results were deemed perfectly fine for what I did with them i.e. send normal sized prints to the people at that event
- heavier camera and larger lenses.  Sure you can re-cycle your DX lenses but with big limitations, i.e. low resolution, tiny view in the finder, so you'll need those lenses for full frame.
- more money spent

(2) the D600 seems to be a fine camera.  It seems to have had more than its share of dust/oil spots but it's tough to tell for sure:  indeed you can search pretty much any higher-end camera for "model name - dust" and you will land a ton of results, be it a Nikon or a Canon.  This being said some serious reviewers have spent time on this, and the tentative conclusion is that: (a) it is always easy to clean, (b) it seems to become much less of an issue after about 3'000 shots.

So with the D610 apparently soon to be announced by Nikon, it would seem to me that if you want a D600, then you should soon be able to get one for a good price.  And if you're ready to go for second-hand (from a reputed source obviously) then picking a camera with over 3'000 shots might help futher on both price, and function.


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