7D - 70D - 7D2

Started Jul 21, 2013 | Discussions thread
Calliope
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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2
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Bobn2 wrote:

Karl Gnter Wnsch wrote:

Bobn2 wrote:

They are both DSLR's.

With completely different target audiences. The 6D can't do half of what the 7DII will do and the 7DII will do plenty the 6D can't even dream of managing!

They both accept EF-S lenses.

Wrong.

I meant EF, which is right.

They both have very similar controls.

Wrong.

I believe so.

They both will take very similar photos in maybe 95% of photographic situations.

Wrong again.

Really? The advantages that the 7D has (reach, frame rate and more points in the AF) allow it to take photos in just a few situations where the 6D won't. The advantages that the 6D has (lens choice at the wide end, utilising shallower DOF, low light ability, low light AF) allow it to take photos in just a few situations where the 7D won't. 95% is a guess, but in all likely hood in the right range.

The 7D has some features that the 6D does not, and vice versa, but for most people buying a general purpose camera, they mostly do the same job.

Wrong again.

See above, most situations, you'll end with pretty much the same. The only question is whether you want the reach and frame rate or the lens options, shallower DOF, low light - both are edge situations, and in the end it matters which edge is more important to you. It's only if there you exclusively work at one edge and never work at the other that there is no question of choice, and there are relatively few photographers like that.

For those that need both there are alternatives available - i.e. 5DIII. But the target groups are as far seperated as they could be from the onset, so the availability of both cameras will *not* create any further division in markets.

You don't know what the 'target groups' are - Canon knows that. I doubt that many who buy a 7D use it exclusively for action photography, nor do those that buy a 6D use it exclusively for studio and landscape work.

The 6D can't do action properly,

The 6D can do action 'properly' in the hands of a competent photographer.

not even the 5DIII is fully capable to replace a current 7D. Period.

I would think the 5DIII wins quite a lot and loses a little. It has a much more capable AF system, it loses 2FPS, but the main thing in action photography is learning your timing, if you don't do that the difference between 6FPS and 8FPS is 6 garbage shots or eight garbage shots. If you do lean your timing then the difference is between 5 garbage shots and 7 garbage shots, by and large. Occasionally you might get lucky, and 8FPS increases your luck from 6 in 100 to 8 in 100

The 6D autofocus is whoefully inadaequate for fast moving subjects

Again, not optimised but focusses fast and sure with the centre point, in worse light than the 7D will with any point.

and the 5DIII lacks speed.

2 FPS, not anything really, just less file space filled with 'not quite' photos.

Face it, the 6D is [b]not[/b] a valid replacement for a 7D!

I never ever suggested that it is a 'valid' replacement, what I said was with three other Canon cameras eroding the potential market, Canon might choose not to replace it, validly or otherwise.

When my husband was looking at cameras so we could spend more time shooting together I asked him to get a second 7D but he thought FF would be a better choice to give us options for low light. I like the 5D3 but unless I am shooting sports  indoors or shooting portraits I grab my camera. Shooting through an entire action sequence is not necessarily spray and pray and I find that the extra frame rate often gives me the shot I am looking for when shooting skateboarders or surfers. The subtle differences in body positions or facial expressions can make a big difference in the impact of the shot. When shooting birds I feel like I have a better chance of getting the right wing position with my 7D over the 5D3. Hummingbird wings are so fast! The buffer on the 7D is also much better than the 5D3 and I don't run up against a busy signal if I change targets and want to shoot something else quickly. When the waves are high in Malibu there are lots of surfers to choose from and at places like Bosque there are so many cranes and geese taking off in the morning you shoot in waves.

I use spot AF and rely heavily on the joystick so the 70D and 6D would not be as comfortable for me to work with. I hardly ever use the center point and move my focus points around a lot.

I am actually glad they held off on a 7D2 as I am going to get in big trouble for buying one when it comes out. I guess I am an oddball in that I prefer the 7D and if we only kept one camera that would be the one. I am trying to branch out in what I shoot so as time goes on I find myself using the 5D3 a bit more and plan to take it on my vacation as I will be shooting mostly cathedrals and museums with wide angles and low light. I will take the 7D and one longer lens for distance and street shots.

I personally feel there is a solid place in the market for the 70D and 6D. My friends who shoot portraits and landscapes are extremely happy with their choices and there is no need for them spend the money on features they won't use. Their money is better spent on good glass. I envy them in a way as shooting action and birds makes you feel like you need the features and the long L lenses as well. I had no idea when I bought my 7D for the hummers in the backyard that the photography bug would bite so hard. I am having so much fun learning and capturing beauty in all it's varied shapes and forms. My bank account has taken a hard hit but the joy photography has brought me can't be measured in just dollars and cents.

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