Win8 vs Win7

Started Jun 10, 2013 | Discussions thread
VirtualMirage Veteran Member • Posts: 3,956
Re: stick with Win 7 if possible...

theswede wrote:

Archer66 wrote:

Typical BS FUD from Jim Cockfield.

For desktop user Win 8 is the same as Win 7 with some improvements:

It's not even remotely the same. There is no hierarchical organization of programs accessed from the start system. There is no obvious way to get rid of a Metro app which takes over the screen. There isn't even any point to Metro on a desktop system.

The desktop is very similar in looks and functionality as 7.  As for the metro apps and the new Start screen, it's very easy to get rid of a Metro app (see below for how).

The differences are very In Your Face and crippling for engineering and science users. I normally have at least dozens of programs to access industrial systems and subsystems installed, with confusing names. In the start menu they're grouped by manufacturer name and then by task to use them for - dead easy to find what I need.

I'm in IT and I don't find it crippling at all. The desktop works just the same. Majority of my apps are not Metro based and work in the desktop. I imagine most of the engineering and science apps are still desktop applications as well and will work no differently than they have in the past. Multiple applications open? No big deal, works just as it did in 7.

You do know that the Start Screen can be organized and grouped to your liking, right? Or if you know the name of them, you can quickly find it by typing a few letters on your keyboard and select it via the quick search function. You don't even have to launch a program to search, just start typing.

You can also pin them to the task bar or create shortcuts on your desktop just like you probably were in Windows 7. That works exactly the same.

It seems like your biggest beef resorts around finding and launching the application and not when it comes to actually using it. How much time do you spend launching an application? A few seconds, maybe? A little organization will make it easier for you to find things or pin the ones you frequently used, problem solved.

It takes me less time to find an app I want to launch in 8 than it does in 7's antiquated Start menu. In fact, in Windows 7 I stopped using the Start menu for most of my needs. I mainly used the search bar to find what I was looking for. I kept my frequently used programs pinned on the task bar, or in the menu. Having to click Start, All Programs, then scroll through all my programs to find what I was looking for was much slower, especially if the application was buried in multiple sub folders.

While your preference to group applications by software manufacturer may work for you, for me it didn't always pan out (especially for those applications you knew more by name than by who made it). That is where the search and/or pin capabilities came in handy. I'd also much rather group my applications by category than by manufacturer (Photo Editing, Games, Office apps, Music and Videos, etc.). Windows 8 makes it easier to organize this way.

In Windows 8 they're tiled up in the start screen with no organization and no way to tell what is for what, or even from what company.

Completely useless.

As mentioned above, easy enough to find. The Start screen can be grouped and organized to your liking, and don't forget your search options too. There are some further improvements coming down the pipe in Windows 8.1, which is in public beta soon and probably will be released sometime this summer (I'm hearing August).

- Secure booting ( no more rootkits )

Except that is normally turned off. And even if it isn't a signed root kit will still bypass it.

Turned off by who? You? The user who doesn't know what they are doing? Or those wishing to run Linux distros that doesn't have a KEK?

By default, many OEM PCs have it turned On. But Microsoft made it a requirement for them to offer the option to disable it. Remember, secure boot wasn't created by Microsoft. They were just one of the first to widely implement it. Secure boot came about through the development of the UEFI and is part of the UEFI specification.

The majority of people will not be dual booting, so this isn't an issue to them. It's for people, probably like you, that also wish to run a Linux distro that may need to disable it if they don't have a supported KEK.

- Better file copying with enchanced dialog, you can even pause it

That's an application, not an OS feature. It's been available as third party for a long time. for example. is an OS feature, it is built in to the OS and cannot be removed. You don't open a separate program to access or use, it is integrated into the functionality of the OS.

- Better multimonitor support

This part is true, apart from that no monitor will have a start button or start menu, and it's confusing how to handle Metro apps due to the lack of visual cues.

The Metro interface is your Start screen and only occupies one of the monitors, leaving the others in desktop mode.

As for visual cues, how much hand holding does one need to figure out how to use it? The Apple iOS and even Android don't have much in the way of visual cues, yet I don't hear people complaining about them for the lack of.

How is handling the Metro apps confusing? They take up a full screen. To leave them you hit the Windows Key. Meanwhile they stay resident in the background (much like how Apple OS X does). If you wish to close the app, move you mouse to the top left corner of the screen to bring up your active apps and close them. Easy.

I will say that Microsoft could have done more to show these new methods to the end user. Remember the welcome tutorial that would pop up in the notification area on every fresh install of Windows XP? I remember finding that so annoying, but it was useful to the first timers out there.

- Better taskmanager

The task manager is better looking than before, but otherwise not that different. It does integrate other parts of the control panel. Whether that is better or worse is more a matter of taste. Seeing as I come from the "do one job and do it well" camp I'm still undecided.

Task Manager received more than just a cosmetic change. If you look closer, you will see it provides loads more of useful information compared to the Task Manager in 7. It's not just another pretty face.

- Better virtual machine ( Hyper V vs Virtual PC )

Which is pretty much immaterial to anyone actually relying on virtual machines (like I do a lot) as they need to have dedicated VM software anyway.

How so?

Hyper-V allows virtualization and management of those VMs created. No other dedicated VM software is needed. The only requirements are that you are using Windows 8 Pro 64-bit and have a SLAT enabled processor (which all Intel Core i3, i5, and i7 have as well as many AMD processors).

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