A digital camera with a certain "film feature"

Started Jun 7, 2013 | Discussions thread
Joseph S Wisniewski Forum Pro • Posts: 34,136
Every point I made stands.

Anepo wrote:

Joseph S Wisniewski wrote:

Anepo wrote:

Mike_PEAT wrote:

It's not just showing the image, but also setting the functions of the camera where the monitor on the camera comes in handy...having stared doing digital photography back in the 90's where you could only change te jpeg resolution, and whether the flash would fire or not, I would not want to go back to a monitor-less time!

But YOU have several options for not instant viewing your last shot...turn off your camera's view last shot feature for one thing.

After that, have the strength not to hit the play button!

Or buy a camera with a swivel screen that can be turned around so you can't see the display...my Olympus E-3 was like that, but it was more for protecting the display!

Personally though, I would never give this up!  My Olympus E-M5 even has a feature called Live Bulb mode where I can see the picture being created as the sensor is being exposed, so you know when to close the shutter!

Well as i said above it would be a full sized rangefinder viewfinder with iso, shutter speed and aperture

And white balance, and exposure compensation, and drive mode, and AF mode, and memory remaining, and flash modes, and and and...

Have a look at the multiple LCDs surrounding the viewfinder in a high end DSLR, to get an idea of what it takes to display what you need.

info in the viewfinder and would only shoot raw for example.

I own an e-m5 as well but i find that techmology is making us think less as you proved with your comment on the live bulb mode,

I think his example proves just the opposite. You have to pay more attention, check the camera more often, judge the current exposure when using the live bulb mode. It's a conventional bulb mode that's "think less", just set a cookbook time value and go take a nap or have a snack.

all skills will become irrelevent. what if everyone were given robot feet to play soccer? Would be just like everyone else because the machine does the thinking for you.

OK, since we just proved that your example is quite incorrect, do you seriously think that displaying less stuff is going to keep a machine from "thinking for you"? Logically, if a camera maker took away the primary tool for a rich array of settings and readings, the rear LCD, they would make the camera do more thinking for you, give it more sophisticated auto-everything algorithms to compensate for the huge loss of ability to manually set things.

Basically, you've fixated on this one idea, of the displayless camera, and are now stretching every farther in attempts to justify it.

If you actually spend some time to READY what I say,

I did. Or at least I "read" them, lol. And, guess what: every point that I mentioned stands strong. (I'm guessing deep down inside, you know this, and that's why you didn't bother trying to refute them beyond one line of insult).

then you would notice that it would take in raw and you COULD change all settings manually or use A or S mode. but all the information would be displayed in a rangefinder styled viewfinder.

Shooting raw in no way relieves you of needing to set parameters like white balance. That's a "film like" thing, each film has a white balance associated with it (daylight, tungsten A, Tungsten B, etc) and you need to pile on filtration to cope with things like fluorescent lights. Same with exposure compensation, which affects metering, before the raw file is taken.

Film cameras let you set film speed, white balance, contrast, etc. by changing film. You made decisions like color or B&W, slide or print, Velvia or Provia, Kodacolor or Ektar when you shot the picture. There was no going back days later, and having to make your decisions without being "in the moment".You didn't (couldn't) take a picture you'd shot on Tri-X and decide that it really should have been on Velvia.

And, if you were like me, you also carried a notebook, and wrote things like "shot 23 is going to need some additional contrast" or "shot 31 should emphasize the flower on the right" or "roll 6 needs a 1 stop push". You made those note right then, in the moment, because guessing about them days or weeks later just doesn't work.

Digital cameras do it with controls and displays so you can see what the controls are set to. Your targeted processing gets added to the raw, so the raw processing program knows what you intended to do with the picture back when you were in the moment. Everything from the obvious decisions about film speed, to the WB filtration, to things like contrast.

Do you honestly think you're going to go back to a picture you shot days ago, and say "oh, that one needs this white balance" or "hey, when I shot this one, I was thinking of doing it in B&W?

That is the fundamental flaw in every one of these "hoards of us are demanding a simplified, minimal controls camera, just like we had in the good old film days". You just don't grasp that the time-consuming, complex process of selecting your film and making your notes was the equivalent of setting all those controls on the camera.

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