When size matters (D800 pixel count)

Started May 23, 2013 | Discussions thread
ormdig Senior Member • Posts: 2,311
Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)

yray wrote:

ormdig wrote:

I strongly disagree. I find the ability to crop heavily with the D800 worth every bit of the cost of storage. Look at the detail in the OP's second post. You can't do that with "less megapixels". It essentially extends the long end of any lens, making possible shots that were heretofore impossible without a longer lens.

If the ability to crop is the entire point -- why not just get a nice and relatively cheap D7000 or D7100 ?.. Or is the real issue here the inability to frame?

I have a D7000, a very good camera. My point was the ability to extend the long end of a lens with the D800 and still have remarkable detail. A much appreciated asset for those of us who can't afford every lens in the store and make do with what we can afford. I saved and saved and bought this camera, a 24-70 and a 70-200 while I had a 105macro and a 50 f/1.8, all Nikon. That is it for the foreseeable future.

As for the inability to frame, I shoot thousands of images of sports in season (not for money and I don't have the resources for both fast frame rate and IQ). The only people I know of who don't crop sports images have their cameras set up in fixed positions or have very long lenses that capture close-ups in camera. My longest lens is a 70-200 and I make do with it and the cropping made possible by the camera.

As for low light/high ISO capability, what are you comparing it with? I can auto focus in low light in a consistent manner I only dreamed of before. The noise at ISO 4000 is easily taken care of in PP with no apparent loss of detail, again only a dream before. I have seen posted shots at ISO6400 that are very detailed.

Try to crop at ISO 6400 and see how much you like the results...

The truth is that you can't have the cake and eat it too. If you want high ISO you can't crop much, and if you want to crop a lot then your high ISO performance degrades quite a bit.

What I find really amazing is that the D800 still remains as controversial as it is. It is as if its owners want to put it on a pedestal as the ultimate in IQ for all times. I personally get it, D800 is a fine camera for those who need its capabilities, I don't question it, but I do wonder what kind of insecurity drives this need to defend D800 at every turn and where it comes from. What if D800 is not the ultimate, what if the king has no clothes... oh dear...

I didn't say anything about cropping a 6400 ISO image, in fact I don't use ISO6400. I do use ISO4000 in small, poorly lit gyms where it is a boon to action shooting without uncorrectable noise. I totally agree that high ISO degrades the image, it is how much detail can be retained, at least with the software I use, that is different here.

It is the unexpected bonuses I have discovered with this camera that I delight in and have pointed out, especially in making do with what I have available. If that qualifies as insecurity so be it.

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