High ISOS : M4/3 < APS-C < FF ?

Started Apr 26, 2013 | Discussions thread
ethern1ty Regular Member • Posts: 338
Re: High ISOS : M4/3 < APS-C < FF ?

Of course it's better if you can cover anything... especially when landscape... You are playing the excuse of Canon APS-C users.

And this does not produce flat images (it really depends on the post production skills). What about the highlights ? The clouds in a sunny weather ? etc. (one practical example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWvaaHqQni0). This also gives you a practical way to do reasonable HDR pictures without taking 3 pictures :).

I am really happy to have upgraded to the GH3... Gain in DR is more than I expected, I wouldn't come back to the GH2..

Xellz wrote:

You don't need to cover everything, unless you want to make your photo looks totally flat. Anyway most display media doesn't support even that much. This extra DR you won't even see unless start pushing shadows really far.

Just don't speak about enthusiast photographers as a whole, when it's only your opinion and your minimum on IQ sensors performance.


Can you show at least one your photo where you think older sensor could not handle it due to lacking DR?

Sergey Borachev wrote:

Xellz wrote:

Sergey Borachev wrote:

I think that the E-M5 (and also the E-PM2, E-PL5, GH3, E-P5, E-PL6) all have, finally, adequate IQ even for enthusiast photographers, as their IQ is so close to APS-C.  IQ is of course the most important thing for cameras and it has been, but with the IQ achieved since the OMD sensor, many have found other factors as important if not more in choosing a camera.  The other factors  can have much more difference between cameras than the IQ between M43 and APS-C and therefore affect us more in our ability to take good photos, e.g. the quality of IS, speed and accuracy of AF, the availability of shooting data before taking the shot, the buttons and features...

The good news is that all the new mirrorless models (except Panasonic ones using old sensors) have the same or higher level of IQ as the E-M5 and all those cameras listed above, e.g. the NEX cameras and the Fuji X-series cameras.  This is why I have said that we have a new minimum standard now for mirrorless cameras.  Anything less is sub-standard.  Note that there are still clear differences between M43 and APC-C IQ when examined critically or when pushing and extra lattitude is required, such as often needed for pro and very demanding level work.  What I mean is that there are other things besides noise and resolution that are important for IQ, but M43 IQ is at a more than comfortable level now.

IQ has been adequate long before EM-5, enthusiast photographers learn a thing or two and don't blame the camera for blown highlights. I find performance of my G3 sensor more than adequate and i'm still far from pushing it to the limit, where camera is at fault and not the photographer.

Maybe for you, but not for me.

A typical sunny day has about 12 stops in DR, even more when the sun is stronger as is in some countries like Australia.  More like 14 or even 15 

The E-M5, E-PM2, GH3 etc have 12+, the best APS-C cameras have 13 to 14.  It will be tough work and highlight/shadow sacrifices in many situations with the G3.

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