New (and better?) Bare Bulb Alternative to Q Flash and Elinchrom Ranger. What do you think?

Started Apr 27, 2013 | Discussions thread
OP plevyadophy Veteran Member • Posts: 4,258
Re: New (and better?) Bare Bulb Alternative to Q Flash and Elinchrom Ranger. What do you think?

UKphotographers wrote:

plevyadophy wrote:

Ha ha ha!!

Got ya!!!

I was hoping you would chime in here on this topic; you may recall, what perhaps, two or so years ago a rather long thread and a long exchange with me on the ins and outs of the Quantum gear in comparison to speedlites and the wonderful comparison images you did of the Quantum gear lighting up a Lastolite Ezybox compared to a speedlite. That was one of the best educations in lighting I ever received.



Thanks, the softbox thing was quite interesting from both our perspectives I think.

Yes indeed. I was, and still am, ever so grateful for the time and effort you put into your responses; it's things like that that make these forums worthwhile even if one does have to spend an inordinate amount of time wading through petty threads.

I still prefer the QPAQ's in the 400Ws configuration.. if you're going to have the inconvenience of a battery, you might as well have some benefit with it. A kit of 400Ws units will cope with most things inside or outside, the smaller 80Ws or 160Ws are better equipped for internal use. Outside, you don't trick bright sunlight too easily so you really do need the output.

Deja vu!

That's pretty much verbatim what you said in that original thread I mentioned. Sound advice but I am just a stubborn old "versatility" guy; I just love compactness and versatility in equipment hence why I keep looking at the Quantum T Series (and I here i am referring to the ability to use the batts for my speedlites as well).

The CoPilot isn't a 'deformed mushroom shape' - it's more of a 'Stealth bomber' and will control the Trio, T5d-R's or X5d-R's in Manual or TTL mode. It looks like this:

Thanks for that.

I wasn't aware of this device. Much much better looking than the other horrid Quantum stuff but it still has a bit of Quantum DNA to me; it's still kinda blocky and industrial looking, kinda old German in fact or Mercedes up to the early 90s (well engineered but pug ugly and tank like). I think Quantum really need to get Apple designers on secondment.

CoPilot Controller

If you need Auto control you do need a deformed mushroom shaped controller - a Pilot. (or a Trio flash, or a T5d-R/X5d-R set up as a controller with a transmitter and 'D' adapter). A pilot looks like this:

Yes this is the horrid mushroom I was thinking of.

Neither of the Pilot/CoPilot controller options would interfere with a right-eyed shooter.. theres no cables required. The Pilot does have an external battery capability, but it runs quite happily on 4 AA's.

The Pilot would definitely interfere with a right-eyed-left-eye-open shooter because the Pilot is blocking one's field of view.

And does this mushroom gives Auto Mode with the X series heads too? I had a quick look at Quantum's horrid site and couldn't get an answer to that.

If you set your remotes to 'Auto' and set the ISO manually you can use the Pilot just to trigger these in the settings you made, (or any of the Quantum transmitters) but no changes from camera position. With the Pilot, the Auto facility will track your camera aperture and ISO changes and change remote outputs accordingly.

OK, thanks.

'Same Old' with the 400Ws power packs. The capacitors are in the packs rather than the heads, making the heads lighter. The QPAQ's only power the X heads because of this. Alternatively, Lumedyne packs can power Quantum X heads too with either the Quantum socket fitted or an adapter cable.

Firstly, are Lumedyne packs availabe in U.K. and if so who from?

Second, how big are the packs?

Third,  will they give me the versatility I crave i.e. power speedlites as well as the X heads?

Finally, what are talking of in terms of cost?

Thanks in advance.

Warmest Regards,


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