Is mirrorless the worst of all worlds? and FF the best?

Started Apr 25, 2013 | Discussions thread
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Re: Is mirrorless the worst of all worlds? and FF the best?

zenpmd wrote:

Some random thoughts from today....

I cannot help but feel all it has done is fuel GAS and people's desire for change. Photography is a subtle art and a long learning curve, but without concrete and identifiable progress which you would see if you were lifting weights or running. New technology can feed off that insecurity.

In the long term, mirrorless technology will be very radical, but at the moment its not worth buying into for the following reasons:

  1. Nothing can compete with low light with FF.
  2. Nothing can compete with the Bokeh of FF (now I admit these are more about sensor size than mirrorless technology, but my point is that mirrorless is so expensive it makes sense to compare to FF), and also to keep using FF until mirrorless FF is available.
  3. The viewfinders are not 100%
  4. With all the options you have to carry a bag still. They are not the Sony RX100 or RX1. I am a Fuji x100s user and this is just about acceptable
  5. The best thing in its favour is that the zooms, in particular, are small, but there is only one constant apeture option, and its excessively expensive and still only 2.8 so as limited shallow DoF for spontaneous portraiture when travelling for example. The new Tamron 24-70 on FF, on the other hand, is fabulously versatile.
  6. Sure, the primes are super light, but the total cost of the good primes for the OMD, for example are extortionate, and mad. And in fact, that model serves as good proof to my theory that its about GAS. If great photographers, loads in fact, can get away with just two lenses, a 35mm and an 85mm, then the total cost on something like a 6D is something like £2000. Thats great value. People are buying the OMD, a ridiculous suite of primes, including buying things like the 12mm prime. Whats the point?
  7. The AF sucks for the money the systems cost. 
  8. APS-C systems, except Pentax, lack good primes. On FF on Nikon and Canon, you can buy exceptional 85mm 1.8 for example and its not a big package. So APSC is not the answer either
  9. With the price of the 6d and d600 there is no reason not to go full frame now and just become a great photographer with the 35mm and the 85mm. This is my plan and this week I am going to order the 6d!!!

So it seems to me that it makes sense to continue working with bigger cameras for now. The people who complain about weight are those who are already doing stupid things like carrying two zooms, when they should be armed with just the 35mm and 85mm.

Interested to hear your thoughts to the contrary!

the leica M is better in low light than ff dslr

bokah is a function of shape number of blades and location of the diaphram in the lens not the sensor size

not all ff dslrs are 100%

the newest iteration of the M leica gives you a quite small body combined with very small prime supurb lenses and now the ability to use macro and long focal lengths with ease.

there is no lack of supurb primes for the M leica from Leica zeiss and cosina and a hoast of about a billion older lenses to choose from,

your last point is way to broad as it really depends on what your doing. I am guessing that most sports photographers will favor lower pixel count and apc for the comparitive longer reach of there lenses and faster motor dirve times. The landscape photographer may opt for medium format digital or even eight by ten film. Your street shooter may find the smaller cameras easier to use and carry and much less intimidating to folks on the street, An elderly traveler may choose a good quality point and shoot for reasons too obvious to mention.

Added into all this mix is how much we like the interface between us and the given camera. Smaller folks will often opt for smaller cameras because they fit their hands better.

There is no grail camera there is not best camera, there are cameras which are better suited to some situations than others, and the working pro may need the bigger dslr as much for image as image making.

the short answer to your question is no mirror electronic is not the worst the silly squinty optical zoom finders found on small point and shoots are the worst but even after saying that I would still rather have one than depend one the arms length dance which has become the norm these days

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