if only!!!!

Started Apr 11, 2013 | Discussions thread
meagre offerings
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Re: if only!!!!

nikonFboy wrote:

Daedalus2000 wrote:

nikonFboy wrote:

Daedalus2000 wrote:

I can not help you D

`its good to step outside your comfort zone occasionally, but is nicer to step back into it` PC.

Who can?

you may be past help,

I think you are right!

the guy looks to be on his phone, maybe texting a girl, maybe one not as nice as on the poster.

I think a semiotic analysis of your picture will uncover more subtle, but still powerful, interpretations.

The combination of conditionality, exclusion, uncertainty, and the four exclamation marks in your title confused me...


its a bad habit of mine, i have a fetish for exclamation marks, always have.

i had to look up `semiotic` in the dictionary lol.

anyone can interpretate the image however they want, but i just saw a guy on his phone and a girl on a poster, and thought, this might work. i didnt stand on the opposite platform thinking about uncertainty, exclusion and conditionality, i saw the image, i took the shot.

its really that simple for me, this may make me a lesser photographer in some peoples eyes, than someone who can cover their images with fancy words, flowery explanations and pretentious meanings.

but i am pleased that you like the image, it means a lot to me.


I am sure you understood my humour.

I made a joke (the last sentence was really a joke) about the title because I think that some of your images really carry more "meaning" than the title can convey. Someone once said in this forum that we should not have titles in our images, and I start to agree. Sometimes the addition of a language hint can enhance an image, sometimes it can stop the viewer seeing more. And the exclamation marks I believe are your way of giving emphasis to your message, but the viewer may interpret it as excitement, which may not apply to the image. Everything you have in an image and everything you say about it carries a message (through symbols), and that is where semiotics come in. Misha for example wants to be vague about the message, maybe because he wants us to find our own meaning to his pictures....

Anyway, to go back to your image, please let me share some of my thoughts about it.

You say that you are pleased that I like the image. I agree, getting the visual aspect of an image right is important, but surely we want more from an image, and I believe your recent work shows that you search for more.

The visual reading of an image is (for me) a first step and you have succeeded greatly here. The colours mix wonderfully, the composition has nice geometry etc. But I think there is more. I see a great contrast between the world the advertisers want to "sell" us and the actual life. I see a great contrast between the beautiful female and the ordinary male. I see the contrast between the "interesting" life at the beach and the ordinary life of texting our wife to see what is for dinner. I also see the aesthetics of a modern station. I see something about loneliness.... In general, I see something interesting about modern life and society.... This message combined with a good visual composition makes an image much more interesting.

I hope you do not find the above pretentious. I mean them. No jokes this time.

Best, D

i think i will just start naming my images `meagre offerings` 1,2,3 etc.

everything you have said about this image, nice contrasting colours, a line of yellow on the diagonal, a beautiful female/ordinary man, beach/tram station, loneliness on a empty platform etc etc, is what i saw when i walked up the steps onto the platform opposite. i saw it, i took the shot, there really isnt much more to it for me. i obviously see more once the image is up on the laptop, but sometimes there are things that i didnt see at the time of capture staring me in the face, and other times the image looks crap so i bin it.

im happy for all the people who can talk away in `photography speak` and convey what they mean in this language, i may just be a bit thick, but i see what i see and thats what i see, i cant/dont/wont even try and get involved in this side of photography. if it means i cant talk on a even level with some, then so be it. so i will just have to try harder and let my `meagre offerings` do the talking for me.


Thanks for your response. It is interesting that you say you saw exactly what I saw, although you did not tell us about it in your first post. So in a way you communicated your vision well.

Unfortunately, I also see that somehow my effort to discuss your image has been characterised as some sort of pseudo-intellectual effort and you very clearly state that you are not interested in such discussions. Fine, no problem with me, let's reduce taking photographs to diagonals, colour, contrast,  reflections, etc etc

Hope to see more images from you soon, and I will keep my responses to an appreciation of the visual qualities of your images and nothing more. I promise.

Best, D

hi D

you seem to be a little off on your last message.
I can't wax lyrical about photography, I can't wax lyrical about the music I like, its just not me. its not a case of not wanting to discuss this image, there's just nothing to say from my point of view. I wouldn't know what to say, I either like a image or I don't, but there will be reasons why I do or don't like the image, but I can't convey the reasons in flowery terms.
you seem to be well within your comfort zone when talking about images, sadly I'm nowhere near to your level.

`its good to step outside your comfort zone occasionally, but is nicer to step back into it` PC.

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