Resolution of M43 lenses

Started Mar 31, 2013 | Discussions thread
Anders W Forum Pro • Posts: 21,468
Re: Demonstration of Differences in DxO Geometric Corrections

Detail Man wrote:

Anders W wrote:

Dr_Jon wrote:

I'd need to shoot something a bit more diagnostically useful. I can certainly say they aren't using the same distortion correction as the JPEGs. There is a free trial of DXO so others can play too...

I know DxO profile lenses themselves, e.g., for sharpening. But it would surprise me if what they do with regard to geometric distortion correction of RAWs from MFT equipment differs more than marginally, from what the in-camera jpeg engine or other RAW converters, e.g., LR would do. According to Lenstip, the in-camera jpeg engine leaves only -1.39 percent worth of barrel distortion from the 12-35/2.8 at 12 mm, which, as a rule, is barely visible. Your example sounded quite dramatic so could you please post the samples you were talking about and we'll have a look.

It could be that DxO tries to rescue more of the uncorrected frame than the jpeg engine or other RAW converters would. As you can see from the thread I linked to, it seems that the standard procedure is to chop off slightly more than would be required to get rid of the distortion. But I wouldn't think the distortion left behind by DxO is much different from that left behind by other processing alternatives for the simple reason that the latter get fairly close to the zero-distortion level.

I can confirm that DxO Optics Pro geometric distortion corrections (in the case of my LX3 and GH2 RW2s) consistently have a visibly notably different appearance than the Panasonic OOC JPGs as well as the nature of the geometric corrections that can be performed using Lightroom or Silkypix.

After recently spending a lot of time when posting on the referenced thread trying to get RAW Therapee's (manual) geometric distortion correction to look like DxO's, I have concluded that DxO's geometric distortion corrections are based upon more than geometric corrections performed relative to a single point in the center of the image-frame (as Panasonic's image-file meta-data as well as RAW Therapee's appear to be) ... and are instead based upon geometric corrections performed relative to multiple points existing within the image-frame (how many I do not know).

It may be that a metric of residual geometric distortion based on evaluation referenced to a single reference-point existing at the center of an image-frame may not serve to adequately describe residual geometric distortion that is referenced to multiple points within an image-frame.

It may well be that DxO uses a different method. But aside from rescuing a greater portion of the uncorrected frame than the OOC jpeg (which RT does as well), is there a noticeable improvement in the quality of the correction? That's kind of hard to judge based on the examples you posted.

For more complicated forms of distortion, it is clear that more sophisticated methods are likely to yield noticeably better results. On the other hand, I wouldn't think it likely that the form of distortion generated by MFT lenses is as a rule very complex and haven't seen any sign of that with the MFT WAs I personally have/use. Complex forms of distortion are often the result of less than perfect attempts at optical correction and MFT lenses designed to be software-corrected for distortion are likely to avoid that particular problem.

Here is a geometrically uncorrected LX3 wide-angle RW2 processed using DxO Optics Pro 7.23:



Here is the (in-camera corrected) Panasonic OOC JPG:

Panasonic LX3 corrected in-camera OCC JPG


Here is the best that I was able to do using RAW Therapee's manual geometric distortion corrections. It has a simliar contour as the Panasonic in-camera corrected OOC JPG - a contour that appears to have a single correction reference located at the center of the image-frame:

RAW Therapee manually corrected


Download the Original versions of either of the above displayed corrected images and view them in an image-viewer, switching back and forth with the DxO corrected image displayed below. Note that because the LX3 in-camera OOC JPG is chopping-off a lot of the perimeter, the existing differences are easier to view using the (similar to the OOC JPG) RAW Therapee corrected image.

DxO Optics Pro 7.23 automatically corrected (normal 4:3 aspect-ratio)

The differences between the nature of the DxO correction and other methods can be readily seen, showing the "flatter" contour of the DxO (evidently multiple reference-point) correction.


Here is a somewhat wider-angle version using the same automatic DxO Optics Pro 7.23 geometric distortion corrections, taking advantage of it's ability to present a larger FOV (in cases where rectilinear barrel distortion exists in the recorded image). The resulting aspect-ratio is 1.392.

DxO Optics Pro 7.23 automatically corrected (wider 1.392 aspect-ratio)

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