Switzerland already more European than the UK?

Started Mar 26, 2013 | Discussions thread
57even Forum Pro • Posts: 11,188
Re: Ahhh, Telegraph!

RobertSigmund wrote:

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Christoph Stephan wrote:

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Wrong again. The EP is no mockery. It definitively has competences and representatives who work seriously. That politicians lie, or don't know better than the wrong things say tell, is unfortunately true, but not a pure EU phenomenon.

On the first point I won't be agreeing until someone can actually produce some accurate and credible accounts so we all know what is being spent and where.

On the second point I totally agree.

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I worked in two EU-projects as a research assistant and can assure you that they hae the most painstaking procedure to account for everything, and for half-annual reporting. Wverything is also checked back again. Even in the proposal, you have to list everything and lay out to the tiniest detail what you are going to do, how much money and time in man-months it will cost. The reports are checked whether they meet the research results you have promised. Even the smallest deviation from the plan had to be justified. A pain in research, since by its very nature, you venture into the unknown. British funding bodies (NERC, BBSRC) have less stringent proceduresto the benefit of researchers.

Based on this, I assume everything kn the EU is well documented and accounted for, but it is so much paperwork that no one looks through...

I think the main drive for unification are not "left-wing" politicians, but the advantage for industry to have larger common markets with the same regulatory framework and the same currency.

I also have some EU experience and am in Brussels quite often, as you can easily see when you visit my website. Papillon really has a distorted view of the EU that has next to nothing to do with reality. I do not know which papers he reads but I have my suspicions.

I dont read the papers and I like to stick to the facts, facts such as the EU is an unelected undemocratic totalitarian organisation whose accounts cannot pass a financial audit and haven't done for over 10 years.

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Tony
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We live in a free society. Nobody forces you to accept the facts. You also may believe in flat earth if you wish.

Just answer me these questions, have the inhabitants of all the european member states been given a yes/no referendum on the subject of joining a Federal Europe? a straight yes or no answer please.

Have the financial accounts in Brussels passed an audit in the last ten years? yes or no?

Have the British people been deliberately lied to about their sovereignty with regards to the European Union? Yes or no?

We both know the answers to those questions but lets see if you can be those rarest of things, an honest Europhile?

Who's living in the flat earth society now?

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Do you think I really fall into the simple trap to answer your misguiding questions with yes or no?

As to the referendum: we have a direct democracy in Switzerland, but not in any other European country. So why do you complain? You can vote UKIP if you want - and I guess you do! 

The British people have never been given the opportunity to vote directly on this issue.

Your audit question is total nonsense. The EU even has a special organ for audits, just like national governments, namely the European Court of Auditors. What do you think this body

does?

Thats a good question, maybe this will jog your memory, obviously they don't do much.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9657673/Audit-seriously-undermines-credibility-of-EU-spending.html

I do not know which lies were told to the British about their sovereignty. As long as you do not specify, it is impossible to say anything substantial about your assumption.

This might also enlighten you

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9770633/The-EU-so-where-did-it-all-go-wrong.html

Flat earth is more believable than your ideas about the EU.

There's none so blind as they say Mr Mole 

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You will understand that I do not read this. I also do not eat at McDonalds. Call me snobbish, but for me this is a question of class. 

PS: cite an article in the Independent or the Guardian and I will gladly read it.

Guardian is just the left wing Telegraph. Independent is a bit lightweight. But the Economist is a good read. In fact it's about the only sensible source left.

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