Switzerland already more European than the UK?

Started Mar 26, 2013 | Discussions thread
57even Forum Pro • Posts: 11,180
Re: Sorry Robert....

papillon_65 wrote:

57even wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

RobertSigmund wrote:

the CAP

pardon: what is CAP?

is nothing short of a French tax on the rest of the EU and it should go.

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For the person who is good with a hammer, everything in life tends to look like a nail.....

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Doctors are bad for your lifestyle.

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For the person who is good with a hammer, everything in life tends to look like a nail.....

but the minuscule amount of credibility you might have had disappeared when I realised a german was lecturing me on international co-operation and good relations. You might have forgotten the events of the 20th Century, and your country may well be taking advantage of the chaos they caused, but don't for one minute think that everyone has forgotten. Fortunately you can't erase history and if you actually understood anything about history you'd understand that's where all the  important lessons are. One important lesson is to beware any treaties or agreements written by Germans because history tells that generally they aren't worth the paper they're written on.

I think you should stop living in the past. The world moved on and you obviously have not.

If you want to know about "dishonourable agreements" and invasion of foreign countries, I suggest you look very hard at the history of British colonialism. Take a LONG look at the slave trade, Cecil Rhodes, the East India Company and the Opium Wars as a starter for 10, then look at what we did to the Tasmanian Aborigines and our renaging of all the deals we had with the occupants of Egypt and Palestine after WW1 ... I could go on but hypocrisy doesn't need more than a few examples to prove a point.

Thats all well and good but when I start taking lessons on diplomacy from a German will be the day hell freezes over. You may well be another left wing apologist hell bent on making the British people feel guilty for breathing but we've had enough of that in the last 15 years thanks.

One: I'm not a left winger, I run a business. Like most non-financial based businesses it depends a lot on the EU. I have had to deal with the US as well, and I would frankly trust our EU partners  more.

Two: I don't think we should live in the past, but you can't blame Germans for their past, and excuse us for ours in the same breath. Personally I think you cannot hold a new generation to account for the actions of it's ancestors, but it's YOU who keep ranting on about Germans for what they did in 1939.

As for German diplomacy, I would rather have Angela Merkel as a leader than any of the limp wristed idiots we have had in charge for the last 20 years. Even the Poles, Czecks and Slovaks have benefited from "German Diplomacy" to their mutual benefit over the last 20 years.

We just went into Iraq as Bush's poodle. Do you think we have ANY diplomatic credibility left anywhere? We lost it in the Middle East, India, China and now Europe. Genius. Even Latin America barely knows we exist.

China and America will deal with their economic peers. That means the EU, not us.

Get over it, it's the new world - you can be part of something that matters or disappear off the map. Take your pick.

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