Question about Panasonic Lumix G Vario 100-300mm F4-5.6 OIS

Started Mar 27, 2013 | Discussions thread
Anders W Forum Pro • Posts: 21,466
Re: Question about Panasonic Lumix G Vario 100-300mm F4-5.6 OIS

LTZ470 wrote:

Anders W wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

Anders W wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

Mjankor wrote:

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LTZ470 wrote:

The 75-300 Oly is much slower than 100-300, take my word for it…I have owned and shot both extensively…the 75-300 cannot focus many times when the 100-300 can…the extra light the 100-300 allows is worth it in AF speed and Shutter Speed and it is still a challenge at times with EM5 as they fudged the ISO and the Shutter Speeds are slower than other cameras at equal ISO values, so for Birding and Nature you WILL need the fastest glass you can get on the EM5...

Moving Subject + EM5 + f/6.3 = Blurred photo...


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Too many wrong facts.

Basically, everything about the OM-D fudging ISO is wrong. THE OM-D uses the same shutter speeds (within 1/3 of a stop) as other cameras for any particular camera ISO value, as expected.

For more info, check out the rather long debate here:

As for focussing, I suspect that's wrong too. Most reports say the 75-300 is faster at focussing.

Lol…you think I said this because I haven't tested them side X side…MOST folks that say the 75-300 is faster have never owned the 100-300 much less used the two side x side…I have photos to prove my point do they their's?

Same tripod, same camera same distance...75-100 could not acquire focus...100-300 AF'd time and time again without any problems...75-300 really nice sized sweet lens, sharp and godd contrast...BUT cannot match 100-300 for AF or WILL miss many shots with 75-300 that the 100-300 would have captured...f/5.6 vs f/6.7 the f/5.6 trumps f/6.7 everytime except in the brightest light...moving subject + 75-300 at f/6.7 + slow shutter speed EM5 = blurred photo...thats all i got to say about that

As far as fudging ISO…lol…again I challenge you (or anyone else) to look at Image Resouces and compare the Shutter Speeds at same ISO's on various models…lets say from Canon 60D, Nex-7, OMD, Panasonic GH2…and come back here and give us the findings...

That way you won't have to take my word for it…savvy?

You are wrong about the "ISO fudging" LTZ. As Mjankor already pointed out, any deduction based on the shutter speeds and f-stops used in these and other studio samples rests on the questionable assumption that the light level is controlled and held constant.

There are other and better ways to check whether two cameras actually got the same light on the sensor at the same camera ISO (checking the saturation of the RAW files and see whether they match what we'd expect based on the DxOMark "measured ISOs" if the cameras have been given the same effective exposure, i.e., the same amount of light on the sensor). I have performed this check for the E-M5 versus a number of other cameras (GH2, GH3, G3, D800) and in no case found anything but marginal deviations.

This subject has already been beaten to death in a large number of other threads and it is perfectly clear at this point that there is no "ISO fudging" going on.

Would agree with you genst normally, but have shot the EM5 and GH2 extensively, EM5 has slower shutter many times...

Not sure even what you mean here. Slower shutter on E-M5?

Yes...consistently slower...

Do you mean that 1/100 on the E-M5 is slower in practice on the E-M5 than the same shutter speed setting on the GH2? Or do you mean that the two cameras meter differently at the same camera ISO such that the E-M5 suggests a slower shutter speed at the same f-stop than the GH2?

GH2 consistently gave me better shutter speeds and sharper shots in trying conditions than the EM5 has...when the EM5 has enough Shutter Speed it of course excels by far to my eyes...

Sharper shots, perhaps. But I am sure you will find that if you check the meters under controlled conditions, they will meter identically within 1/3 EV.

And you are not seriously saying that Olympus is "fudging" the actual shutter (so that 1/100 actually is something significantly slower than 1/100), are you?

As to metering, I have tested the meter of my E-M5 against the meter of my G1 under carefully controlled conditions. The G1 meter suggests 1/3 EV less exposure than that of the E-M5. This difference is, I would say, within the limits of normal tolerances, and might be explained by the fact that the G1, unlike nearly all other cameras, has DxO "measured ISOs" that are a bit higher, not lower, than the camera ISOs. So it needs to keep exposure down slightly compared to other cameras to prevent highlight clipping.

Fuji does the same and it is equal to SLOW Shutter Speeds...X-E1 and X Pro 1 are similar to EM5 in this regard...

I do a consderable amount of birding and pretty consistent with tripod, settings etc...more blurred shots from EM5 than any other camera I have ever used...OIS on...OIS off...IBIS on...IBIS off...both on...both off...

Well, whether you get blurred shots is something completely different from "ISO fudging" isn't it? The E-M5 has problems with shutter shock (at least my copy does) with certain lenses, including the 100-300.

Shutter Shock is another culprit that could be the problem as well...agreed will investigate a little further into this...

You can pea on my leg...just don't try and tell me it's lighting on ALL 5 cameras...

What would the inconsistency amount to?

None, there is no inconsistency in Image Resource lighting...

If there isn't, how do you explain the fact that the actual exposure difference between the E-M5 and the D5200 in the ISO 800 IR samples you pointed to is actually about 1/5 EV rather than the full one EV that the difference in shutter speed (1/80 versus 1/160) apparently has you believe.

then DxO using different lighting for each test?

DxO using different lighting for each test? Don't know what you are talking about. Noone said anything like that.

DxO has consistent lighting the same as Image what I am saying...

Yes, I noticed that you said that. I just proved you wrong.

If it's DPR you have in mind, Andy Westlake has made it perfectly clear that they make no attempt to control the light level in the studio where they shoot their samples and that nothing whatsoever can be made out of the f-stop and shutter speed settings as far as actual exposure (amount of light on the sensor) is concerned.

I never use DPR samples much at all to be honest because of the front and back focusing issues that goes on at times...

...uhhumm...I call BS...

You call what BS?

Whenever you shoot a Nex-7 at same ISO and the shutter speed is double that of the EM5...thats BS...should be by some amount, but not double?

Tell you what I'll do when I get to the U.S. Anders I'll do some testing with EM5 vs Nex-7 vs G3 and compare, BUT I have never went out with any GH2 or G3 or Nex-7 or FZ200 and not came back with out some keepers that are not blurred...the EM5 was the first for me, not one keeper out of 200+ shots all blurred due to low shutter speed...

Feel free to do the testing. Noone has so far reported anything seriously deviant about the E-M5 meter in controlled testing as far as I am aware. My own check against the G1 is just one example.

Shutter Slap? your thinking thats what is causing the blurred EM5 shots?

My E-M5 has shutter shock issues between 1/20 and 1/200 (approximately) with the 100-300 as well as other longer lenses (40-150, 45-200, 75/1.8) and I have reasons to think that I have tested this more carefully than just about anyone else on this forum. For the 100-300, you need at least 1/250, preferably 1/320 regardless of whether you use IBIS or OIS. With the 100-300 at 300, the impact of the shock is clearly visible even when shooting from a pretty good tripod with long anti-shock enabled.

I put it down to IBIS and my technique first round...we shall see soon I'll shoot them all side x side birding and compare shutter speed, ISO, and F-Stops...

I don't think IBIS is causing the problem. It's just that it can't correct for the shutter shock, presumably because the speed/frequencies involved are far higher than those of human handshake. OIS can't either. The only lens where I have found a difference between IBIS and OIS when it comes to the ability to counter the shutter shock is with the 14-45. In this case, OIS is preferable on that ground.

Getting a lot less keepers with EM5 than ever before...but still learning...

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