So... I finally come to a decision to go with the OM-D... Is there any big hand users out there?

Started Mar 13, 2013 | Questions thread
NZ Scott
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Re: What's weak about the GH3?

Anders W wrote:

NZ Scott wrote:

Anders, in defence of sgoldswo, he never actually said that the test scene gave wrong data. He was simply making the point that when he picks up the camera and starts shooting with it he prefers it to the E-M5.

As far as I can see he criticizes the DPR studio samples calling them unrepresentative of user experience and a pointless test scene. Now I hope you agree with me that the DPR studio samples were never meant to be representative of experiences with for example the camera's user interface. And I consider it rather pointless to criticize them for not being what they were never intended to be. Furthermore, I don't agree at all that they are "a pointless test scene" since they are quite valuable for what they are.

He didn't criticise them as far as I can recall. I didn't see any comment about the test scene being "pointless". He just said that the Dpreview tends to concentrate on controlled review paramaters rather than the user experience.

I do agree with you that there is a point to the test scenes. Dpreview attempts to review cameras and lenses under controlled conditions and, like you, I think that this can be useful.

Dpreview tries to be objective in its reviews and for that reason is data-heavy. This is great because we get something objective to base our comparisons on, but it doesn't give us the kind of insight into the camera that a real-world reviewer (such as Robin Wong or Ming Thein) would offer.

I think DPR are no less "real-world" than Robin Wong or Ming Thein. But for pretty obvious reasons, they discuss the ergonomics and user interface of the camera in other sections than that in which they present the studio samples.

I think they are much less "real world" than Robin Wong or Ming Thein. Those guys take the cameras out and shoot with them under real-world conditions and talk about all kinds of aspects of the cameras. They are also very good photographers and are capable of really showing what the cameras can do.

I have never seen a Dpreview photographer take a really good photograph. Not one single one.

We are usually shown a photo of a bridge, some guy standing in a hallway and some trees. We don't get much of a discussion about the way that the camera handles, the way that people react to it in the street, any minor difficulties we might encounter when changing lenses, how a m43 camera/lens combo might handle a macro scene in comparison with a Nikon DSLR system, etc. All of these things are more likely to be addressed by real-world reviewers.

I think sgoldswo's position in regards to ergonomics is perfectly legitimate. I personally don't like the E-M5 because of its ergonomics and would probably buy the GH3 over the E-M5 for precisely that reason.

I am not sure I share your opinion but that's a matter of personal preference and a bit beside the point here, so no reason to go into detail.

Second, are you saying that the DPR studio scene is useless for judging the image quality of a camera? If so, for what specific reasons would that be?

I don't find it valuable - this test actually suggests better image quality from the GH@ compared to the E-M5 and the GH3.

The GH@? You mean the GH2 or what? Are you talking about ACR-processed RAWs or OOC jpegs? And in what way do you think the samples suggest that the GH@ (GH2?) is better?

I question that. Further, the test scene suggests a prevalence of moire on X-Pro1 shots whereas I find the E-M5 and X100 for worse is real world use.

Where do you see the moiré from the X-Pro1? And again are you talking about ACR-processed RAWs or OOC jpegs?

Finally, are you saying that the GH3 allows for greater button/dial based fine tuning of settings that affect image quality than for example the E-M5? If so, what would those settings be?

It allows for quicker/button dial based control and/or no need to menu dive to reach settings

OK. So you mean quicker rather than greater control.

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