Mirrorless cameras part 2.

Started Mar 7, 2013 | Discussions thread
OP Martin.au Forum Pro • Posts: 12,695
Re: Mirrorless cameras part 2.

joejack951 wrote:

Mjankor wrote:

Looks like the 7D is the one. $1350 aus

Now for the 60mm Macro. We need one about 80-85mm or so. It has to shoot 2:1 to match the 60mm 1:1.

No, 1:1 is 1:1 regardless of format.

Technically, sure.

Now, 1:1 on my m4/3s captures an area 17x13mm. Care to tell me how big an area 1:1 on a FF captures?

PS. I had actually intended to take the 1:1 requirement out of my post as I assumed we would be looking at APS-C cameras, which are close enough. Feel free to disregard it.

Doesn't seem to be anything really suitable. Getting bored looking so we'll have to settle for a non-weathersealed Sigma 70mm with 1:1 on FF capability. $599

This 60/2.8 $399 Canon lens has more working distance at 1:1 than the Olypmus 60/2.8 macro too: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/371176-USA/Canon_0284B002_EF_S_60mm_f_2_8_Macro.html

No it isn't. It's about the same at 90mm.

And for the weathersealed 12-50. This is just a cheap kit zoom, so it should be easy. We need a 16 - 70 or so.

Hmmm. Nearest lens I can find is the Canon EF-S 15-85mm. That's an improvement in focal length, but it's not weathersealed. Damn expensive too. $1000

The $380 Sigma 17-70/2.8-4 has a much faster aperture than the more expensive Olympus 12-50/3.5-6.3: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/670047-REG/Sigma_668101_17_70mm_F2_8_4_DC_Macro.html

Olympus should be ashamed asking that much money for such a slow lens.

Olympus don't ask that much money for the lens. It's a kit lens. Understand first, then criticise.

17-70 doesn't go wide enough. I like around 24mm (FF).

If I needed a faster lens I'd take my 12-60, which is also f2.8-4 and also 24mm (FF). When I'm taking my small kit, then I take the 12-50. Versatility, remember.

Also, the Sigma is $550 (All my prices come from one store in Australian dollars, so there's no issue with currencies, etc)

And for the Fisheye - We'll go with a Sigma $750

Or this Rokinon for $269: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/769428-REG/Rokinon_FE8M_C_8mm_Ultra_Wide_Angle.html

Do you really need AF at 8mm?

What's good for the goose. We can use the Rokinon 7.5mm FE on m4/3s as well. Thereby bringing the price down by the same amount.

So, OM-D Mini kit = 962 grams

Canon APSC = 2435 grams, and if I go Canon I lose weathersealing and some of the magnification of my macro. I do gain a little bit of FOV in the standard zoom.

Cost $3700 for the Canon, $2700 for the Oly kit.

Canon cost: $2300 USD. All lenses are at least a stop faster as well, up to over 2 stops for the standard zoom (I'm speaking in equivalent apertures, mind you).

Actually $2570, with the correct price for the Sigma. Plus, I can also use the Rokinon, negating any price advantage there. Ergo, the Oly still ends up cheaper, and as you've carefully avoided the weight issue, a hell of a lot smaller and lighter. Also, as noted, you've missed the focal length I like. I didn't just choose a super expensive Canon standard zoom for fun.

Now, you can probably shave a bit off the Canon kit. That standard zoom lens is awfully expensive for example. However, so far we still haven't even achieved weather proofing with that kit, nor have we stuck with FF lenses to future proof for FF adoption.

As if m4/3 lenses offer any upgrade path to a larger sensor camera.

Yeah, but there's no issues of commitment to m4/3s. If I were an APS-C user I'd be slightly concerned about FF moving into prosumer territory and APS-C moving down to entry level.

We won't look at what happens when we add a long lens for wildlife.

If you want something with a larger aperture, you're out of luck with m4/3.

So faster than an f5.6 on a 400mm (assuming we're still sticking to the Canon). Yeah, not interested thanks.

As I said. I was after a versatile kit. Mirrorless provided that very nicely. I can build it up or down to suit. I can go for pocketable, and take the OM-D+12-50 and 60mm in jacket pockets, or a little bit larger and take those + a third lens in my iPad case, or build it up to a moderate kit in a small Lowepro sling, or take everything, including the old DSLR kit as backup in a Kata 3n1.

Now, perhaps you can have some perspective on how other people do photography. For you, a Canon may be perfect. For me, it looks like a very poor choice.

Now the Nikon D7100 however.......

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