56 mp fx ?

Started Feb 23, 2013 | Discussions thread
Rick Knepper
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Re: The natural progression of forum wisdom ...

Grevture wrote:

inasir1971 wrote:

Hmmm.... "Don't need more than xx MP", "You're looking too close / pixel peeping", "It's the skill of the photographer" - we've heard all this before.

Forums seem to have some cycles of perpetual repetitions of some universals so called "truths"

(a "truth" or "fact" in the context of a internet forum is usually a opinion offered by someone with more passion then knowledge)

The odd thing is that ...

... when we got 10 or 12 megapixel cameras, according to many forum participants, it was way to much, would just lead to more noise, be to taxing on our lenses, and virtually impossible to handhold. The manufacturers really should have stayed at 6 megapixels.

When we got 16 megapixel cameras, according to many forum participants, it was way to much, would just lead to more noise, be to taxing on our lenses, and virtually impossible to handhold. The manufacturers really should have stayed at 10 or 12 megapixels.

When we got 24 megapixel cameras, according to many forum participants, it was way to much, would just lead to more noise, be to taxing on our lenses, and virtually impossible to handhold. The manufacturers really should have stayed at 16 megapixels.

When we got 36 megapixels ... Well, you get the picture. It will be the same when we reach 48, 56, 74, 92 or whatever arbitrary number of megapixels. The previously highest number of megapixels will always be much better, regardless of how many they actually are

These gems come off the Canon forum but tie in nicely to your "natural progression of forum wisdom" theme.

The Canon forum was rife with the "silicon wafer" explanations as to why the 1Ds series (FF) was so much more expensive than than the 1D (1.3x). The 5D shot a hole through this theory. The link below is a post from 2003 that must have seemed informed for this time period, claiming that each FF sensor cost $3k and Canon could only get 2-3 sensors off a wafer, etc, but just 2 years later (less really) the 5D arrives at a retail price of $3k. Without having to say it, the illogic of the claim vs the evidence should be sinking in to any reader of this message.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/6811900

Lens pricing. In 2006, Canon embarked on an upgrade program of their L series lenses starting with the 85L II. The upgrade for the 85 was subtle because the lens was stellar as it was but the price increase was anything but subtle. They've redone most of the L series lenses by now at a pace of 1 or two per year, plus filling holes in the line-up with new lenses, with some of these upgrades being more significant than others but all had one thing in common - big price increases. I believe the upgrades were a clever pretense to increase prices. Canon's L series lenses up to 2006 had been competitively priced against Nikon and Leica. I believe Canon reviewed the market and saw that Nikon and Leica customers were willing to pay a premium for lenses in order to use the system so why shouldn't Canon join the crowd? All of these manufacturers know that the masses are convinced it is difficult to switch brands and where will the Canon customers run for price relief anyway?

Raise prices, people are going to complain. In rides the Canon fanboi/apologist calvary to the rescue. "It's the Yen stupid. It's at historical highs against the rest of the world's currency." Seems logical until one looks at the actual historical data. The yen has been high against the dollar before without these 40% prices increases on L series lenses. And besides. why isn't a 5D series camera selling for $4200 under the "Yen explains everything" theory?

Now, talking about cyclical, the Canon forum now has the feel of the pre-D800 Nikon forum, you know complete denial, in that "22 MPs is more than enough". But just you wait. When Canon releases its leap frog high resolution camera, resolution will quit being a cuss word over there.

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