In fact Dpreview included P7700 in their Enthusiast Camera Round-up, but their shots are sometimes not well executed. (Lars portrait, out of focus).camerosity wrote:
The fact that dpreview fails to give the 7700 a full review is an indicator of its corporate ownership. Canon is probably a sponsor, therefore it would prefer the 7700 be minimized vs. the inferior G15.Altruisto wrote:
Dpreview used to be the website that points out the real camera strengths and weaknesses. Recent reviews are getting more automatic, more technical, rather than focusing on operation and pure image quality. It's been "consumerized"
I had the P6000, which I loved. Sold it when the P7000 came out. P7000 didn't have as good image quality or handling as the P6000 though. Miss my P6000... Sold the P7000 when I bought a Nikon V1 during the recent late December fire sale. Love that camera, though resolution is lower than the 7700, but color and metering is top notch and better than the 7700, as is the speed. Not as compact though!!
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Why P7700 isn't having the success it deserves?
Many of the issues with the P7700 AF that have been reported were due to people zooming in to 200mm in low light. The P7700 has trouble with a lock in those conditions. The easy fix is to zoom out to 150mm or so.
But to stay objective, IF I were shooting mainly indoors I'd have to consider other cams.
I find the difference in AF speed VERY noticeable even outdoors. Obviously I own the P7700 and that speaks volumes as to which camera I prefer.
But it would be nice if Nikon improved the speed of this series on future models just as it would be nice if they stepped to the head of the class for ISO range.
Robert
But to stay objective, IF I were shooting mainly indoors I'd have to consider other cams.
I find the difference in AF speed VERY noticeable even outdoors. Obviously I own the P7700 and that speaks volumes as to which camera I prefer.
But it would be nice if Nikon improved the speed of this series on future models just as it would be nice if they stepped to the head of the class for ISO range.
Robert
I can't agree more! Nikon1 PDAF in P7700 body with one more stop of better noise performance, and i won't look elsewhere anymore. (An integrated high definition EVF à la P90 would be great too).
I took my P7700 and my RX100 to a low-light event (a school orchestra concert). I alternated shots with both cameras, shooting at various ISOs and F values.
What I found when I compared all the shots was that because of the better stabilization and significantly faster lens when zoomed, the P7700 shots were better.
Now, focus speed was not much of an issue for this type of event, and the Sony was clearly better in speed. But overall the P7700 performed really well.
What I found when I compared all the shots was that because of the better stabilization and significantly faster lens when zoomed, the P7700 shots were better.
Now, focus speed was not much of an issue for this type of event, and the Sony was clearly better in speed. But overall the P7700 performed really well.
Different cameras for different people or needs, but both are great. I just didn't like RX100 handling.
Grobb
Senior Member
I think the P7700 has the best lens ever made for any fixed lens camera when you consider:
- Focal length28-200mm (7.1x) Zoom
- Macro focus range 2 cm (.79")
- Number of focus points 99
- Maximum aperture F2.0 - F4.0
- And most importantly, how incredibly sharp it is from corner to corner!
- Put a slightly larger sensor in it, (at least 2/3”), even if it makes the lens slightly larger. The camera is certainly big enough to fit at least that size sensor, hell, if Fuji can do it.......
- Increase the low light capability by at least 1-1.5 stops, maybe by increasing the sensor QE by 10-20% might help, it certainly wouldn’t hurt!
- Lower the AF times in both bright and low light levels by at least 50% or more.
- Lower the write times when shooting RAW by at least 50% or more.
- Increase the FPS to at least 4-5 shots in both JPG and RAW.
Agree 100%
Plus, if they plan to keep the optical VF out, then please make a 50 dollar unit that can use the flash shoe with markings for 28, 100, 200mm framing!
I agree that the P7700 is among the top cameras. I prefer it to pretty much anything, at least until the Fuji X100s gets a longer lens option. That's a camera I keep talking myself out of.
Robert
... And finally we have scientific evidence
DXOMARK Score.
It just confirms what I felt when going from P7000 to P7700, such a jump. (from 39 to 53). Kudos to Nikon, P7700 is the new king of enthusiast cameras!
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DXOMARK Score.
It just confirms what I felt when going from P7000 to P7700, such a jump. (from 39 to 53). Kudos to Nikon, P7700 is the new king of enthusiast cameras!
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... And finally we have scientific evidence
DXOMARK Score.
It just confirms what I felt when going from P7000 to P7700, such a jump. (from 39 to 53). Kudos to Nikon, P7700 is the new king of enthusiast cameras!
Yup! That's why I bought mine. The strengths combine to make it the best pick. Without the 200mm it would be seeing very little use in my kit.
Now...just put back the OVF and give us a bigger sensor....
;-)
Robert
Hmmm! I think it's a sweet spot. If sensor gets bigger, camera size, corner sharpness, lens aperture would be different. I'm happy with the compromises we have already in P7700.Shotcents wrote:
Yup! That's why I bought mine. The strengths combine to make it the best pick. Without the 200mm it would be seeing very little use in my kit.Altruisto wrote:
... And finally we have scientific evidence
DXOMARK Score.
It just confirms what I felt when going from P7000 to P7700, such a jump. (from 39 to 53). Kudos to Nikon, P7700 is the new king of enthusiast cameras!
Now...just put back the OVF and give us a bigger sensor....
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mallbuedel
Leading Member
To give this never ending thread another direction:
Why P7700 isn't having the success it deserves?
Because it is abismally ugly! :-x
Why P7700 isn't having the success it deserves?
Because it is abismally ugly! :-x
yk387
Forum Enthusiast
1 week already passed since the last reply and nobody replied at all anymore. Are you STUPID or you just want attention to your name???
mallbuedel
Leading Member
Thanks for your nice remark! I have no need to bring my name into attention... I know what I'm worth.. I have a gallery with pictures I took.. you can critize those, but before, where are yours??
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Yup.
Whenever I shoot, the client will often ask to see how my camera looks before they pay me.
Robert
mallbuedel
Leading Member
Thank you Robert, I was just provoking but it seems I have met the raw point of the fans. :-D
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Grobb
Senior Member
Sorry to disagree with you Altruisto, but if it did get a bigger sensor (at least 2/3) and had:
- MUCH faster AF times in both low and high lighting conditions
- MUCH faster write times, especially with those 25MB RAW files!
- MUCH better high ISO images with less noise from 400 ISO and higher
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I'm just afraid that they can't get that level of lens sharpness in corners when using a bigger sensor that uses a bigger circle in the lens. a SIGMA 50mm f1.8 is beautiful on APSC, but just fair on full frame. I'm with you for performance, especially those 3s delay in video, abysmal! I wouldn't be bothered by a slightly bigger camera though.
Dabbler
Senior Member
The RX100 has a few shortcomings but it satisfies a need that P7700 doesn't, a tiny shirt pocket camera. Next to it the P7700 is a brick. The biggest shortcoming for me is its short focal range topping out at 100mm. But with the larger sensor you have more leeway to crop. I opted for the RX100 because I already have the X20. Although I crave the 200mm lens I'll wait to see if the sere turn the OVF in the next generation.
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No doubt the image quality of the 7700 is noticable better. I can tell why I
didn't purchase it a few months ago, when I was considering and checking.
The reason I didn't buy it is because many many people/authors complained about
it's slowness almost in every aspect....from the focus to the processing of the images to
the general response of it. For this reason alone, I finally diceded on buying the SONY RX100
which I am absolutely delighted about. The image quality is even better than the 7700 and it's very fast, responsive and fun. The image quality is impressive, as you can see in my attached photos, and the colors are very rich.
No doubt the image quality of the 7700 is noticable better. I can tell why I
didn't purchase it a few months ago, when I was considering and checking.
The reason I didn't buy it is because many many people/authors complained about
it's slowness almost in every aspect....from the focus to the processing of the images to
the general response of it. For this reason alone, I finally diceded on buying the SONY RX100
which I am absolutely delighted about. The image quality is even better than the 7700 and it's very fast, responsive and fun. The image quality is impressive, as you can see in my attached photos, and the colors are very rich.
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