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So I get my lenses today....

70-200 2.8L IS
28-135 IS
50 1.4
1.4x
...and a battery grip.

So I'm LOVING the look, feel, and focus speed of the 70-200. The 28-135 is a bit slower, but still nice. I take some pics, transfer them.....blurry?!?!

WTF!!!!! Wait...wait...check the stats....huh? 1/15 speed!?! AHHH...ISO set to 100. DOH!!!!....reset ISO to 400.....go take more shots...."NO CF CARD". DOH!!!!! ARGH!!!! Dont panic, dont panic....run back inside, grab card out of reader, put back in camera.....start taking pics....its still shaky!!!WHYYYYY!!!! OH wait....turn IS on. THere...that's better. Very nice indeed....take some pics...come inside...view.....

....

....hmm...not bad, but not as sharp as I'd expect...something looks slightly...off?

Run to kitchen...grab box of Sugar Smacks that eternally has my AF chart taped to it...put it on the island.....set up camera...DOH!!! Run back to grab card from reader....load camera....start with 28-135...front (click)...angled, from infinity (click)...angled, from macro (clidk).....rinse, change lenses, repeat with 70-200 and 50mm....bring back card to computer...view....
...
...
...
back focusing. Every stinking lens. Back focusing.

OK...i'm now faced with the following dilemma...send in my 10D for Canon to try and get it right (they're not touching my lenses), or return the 10D to the dealer and trade up for a 1D.

I'd like to keep the 10D, but I'm afraid of it maybe NEVER being right...and with the investment I already have now...I'd rather go the extra mile and get the 10D.

I wont be blowing anything up larger than 13x9....would the 1D be sufficient for 13x9 portrait work? If not, what's its size limitation?

Thanks. Mark

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I've printed 13"x19" with a lowly D30 and I thought they looked pretty darn good. A 1D is a heck of a lot more camera, I'm sure you'd be fine. Why can't you just return the 10D and get another one though (unless they're out of stock where you bought it)?

Cheers, Joe
 
I'm in Chicago....store is in NY. Too much of a pain...maybe I'll have him send me the 1D, and I'll contrast and compare.

As I understand it, the only thing the 10D has over the 1D is more pixels, and less noise on high ISO/long exposures. That true?
Joe Ciarcia said:
I've printed 13"x19" with a lowly D30 and I thought they looked
pretty darn good. A 1D is a heck of a lot more camera, I'm sure
you'd be fine. Why can't you just return the 10D and get another
one though (unless they're out of stock where you bought it)?

Cheers, Joe
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... just ever so slightly less noise at the two highest ISO settings according to my informal tests when I had both the 10D and the 1D. As far as more pixels go, the images from the 1D are every bit as detailed and consistently better focused, better exposed and more accurate in color rendition than the 10D was. My 10D was not defective, the 1D is just a pro level piece while the 10D is a consumer DSLR.

The focus speed, focus consistency in lower lighting conditions and the overall operation outweigh any pixel or noise advantage that the 10D might have. I bought both and sold the 10D. It's new owner is very happy, as am I. We both have cameras that live up to our expectations.

A word of warning. Don't try the 1D unless you are seriously ready to buy one. I don't think you could send it back once you've used it. ;-)
greentank said:
As I understand it, the only thing the 10D has over the 1D is more
pixels, and less noise on high ISO/long exposures. That true?
Joe Ciarcia said:
I've printed 13"x19" with a lowly D30 and I thought they looked
pretty darn good. A 1D is a heck of a lot more camera, I'm sure
you'd be fine. Why can't you just return the 10D and get another
one though (unless they're out of stock where you bought it)?

Cheers, Joe
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I'm learning, with the intention of trying my hand at some sort of semi-pro photography (at least enough to justify writing off my toys).

But...I'd have high expectations if I spent les than $1000....$1500, it should focus on a molecule. I cant think of anything more fundamental to good photography than Focus. It's not as if they haven't already figured it out (1D, 1DS...and even a P&S!).

Dont take me too seriously, 10D fans...I'm just bitter about having to go through this process. I'd be in love with the 10D if I wasn't having this problem. I'll still be shooting this weekend, but it'll be tainted.

Methinking hard about the 1D upgrade...
Pixel Warp said:
The focus speed, focus consistency in lower lighting conditions and
the overall operation outweigh any pixel or noise advantage that
the 10D might have. I bought both and sold the 10D. It's new owner
is very happy, as am I. We both have cameras that live up to our
expectations.

A word of warning. Don't try the 1D unless you are seriously ready
to buy one. I don't think you could send it back once you've used
it. ;-)
greentank said:
As I understand it, the only thing the 10D has over the 1D is more
pixels, and less noise on high ISO/long exposures. That true?
Joe Ciarcia said:
I've printed 13"x19" with a lowly D30 and I thought they looked
pretty darn good. A 1D is a heck of a lot more camera, I'm sure
you'd be fine. Why can't you just return the 10D and get another
one though (unless they're out of stock where you bought it)?

Cheers, Joe
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I'm far from being a pro myself. I didn't buy the 1D because I am a pro, I bought it because at this point it is the ONLY Canon DSLR option within my price range that delivers the level of autofocus performance that I've come to expect after using a 1V as my film body.

Based on a conversation with Canon Support, the 10D uses basically the same system as the Elan 7 film body which is definitely not on a level with the 1V/1D. You can rest assured that if the D30 had used pro level AF I wouldn't own a 1D right now. At my skill level the D30 was a lot of camera except in the AF department and I would have preferred to put the $ into glass or maybe some lighting equipment.

Later this year the market may change. Until then, if you have high expectations in Canon DSLR AF speed and/or accuracy the 1D/1Ds is it.
greentank said:
But...I'd have high expectations if I spent les than
$1000....$1500, it should focus on a molecule. I cant think of
anything more fundamental to good photography than Focus. It's not
as if they haven't already figured it out (1D, 1DS...and even a
P&S!).

Dont take me too seriously, 10D fans...I'm just bitter about having
to go through this process. I'd be in love with the 10D if I wasn't
having this problem. I'll still be shooting this weekend, but it'll
be tainted.

Methinking hard about the 1D upgrade...
Pixel Warp said:
The focus speed, focus consistency in lower lighting conditions and
the overall operation outweigh any pixel or noise advantage that
the 10D might have. I bought both and sold the 10D. It's new owner
is very happy, as am I. We both have cameras that live up to our
expectations.

A word of warning. Don't try the 1D unless you are seriously ready
to buy one. I don't think you could send it back once you've used
it. ;-)
greentank said:
As I understand it, the only thing the 10D has over the 1D is more
pixels, and less noise on high ISO/long exposures. That true?
Joe Ciarcia said:
I've printed 13"x19" with a lowly D30 and I thought they looked
pretty darn good. A 1D is a heck of a lot more camera, I'm sure
you'd be fine. Why can't you just return the 10D and get another
one though (unless they're out of stock where you bought it)?

Cheers, Joe
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greentank said:
So I get my lenses today....

70-200 2.8L IS
28-135 IS
50 1.4
1.4x
...and a battery grip.

So I'm LOVING the look, feel, and focus speed of the 70-200. The
28-135 is a bit slower, but still nice. I take some pics, transfer
them.....blurry?!?!

WTF!!!!! Wait...wait...check the stats....huh? 1/15 speed!?!
AHHH...ISO set to 100. DOH!!!!....reset ISO to 400.....go take more
shots...."NO CF CARD". DOH!!!!! ARGH!!!! Dont panic, dont
panic....run back inside, grab card out of reader, put back in
camera.....start taking pics....its still shaky!!!WHYYYYY!!!! OH
wait....turn IS on. THere...that's better. Very nice indeed....take
some pics...come inside...view.....

....

....hmm...not bad, but not as sharp as I'd expect...something looks
slightly...off?

Run to kitchen...grab box of Sugar Smacks that eternally has my AF
chart taped to it...put it on the island.....set up camera...DOH!!!
Run back to grab card from reader....load camera....start with
28-135...front (click)...angled, from infinity (click)...angled,
from macro (clidk).....rinse, change lenses, repeat with 70-200 and
50mm....bring back card to computer...view....
...
...
...
back focusing. Every stinking lens. Back focusing.

OK...i'm now faced with the following dilemma...send in my 10D for
Canon to try and get it right (they're not touching my lenses), or
return the 10D to the dealer and trade up for a 1D.

I'd like to keep the 10D, but I'm afraid of it maybe NEVER being
right...and with the investment I already have now...I'd rather go
the extra mile and get the 10D.

I wont be blowing anything up larger than 13x9....would the 1D be
sufficient for 13x9 portrait work? If not, what's its size
limitation?

Thanks. Mark

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http://www.pbase.com/greentank
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Even if I could get back the $4k I spent on my 1D, and get the 10D, focusing correctly, for $1200, I'd keep my 1D.

Ted
greentank said:
So I get my lenses today....

70-200 2.8L IS
28-135 IS
50 1.4
1.4x
...and a battery grip.

So I'm LOVING the look, feel, and focus speed of the 70-200. The
28-135 is a bit slower, but still nice. I take some pics, transfer
them.....blurry?!?!

WTF!!!!! Wait...wait...check the stats....huh? 1/15 speed!?!
AHHH...ISO set to 100. DOH!!!!....reset ISO to 400.....go take more
shots...."NO CF CARD". DOH!!!!! ARGH!!!! Dont panic, dont
panic....run back inside, grab card out of reader, put back in
camera.....start taking pics....its still shaky!!!WHYYYYY!!!! OH
wait....turn IS on. THere...that's better. Very nice indeed....take
some pics...come inside...view.....

....

....hmm...not bad, but not as sharp as I'd expect...something looks
slightly...off?

Run to kitchen...grab box of Sugar Smacks that eternally has my AF
chart taped to it...put it on the island.....set up camera...DOH!!!
Run back to grab card from reader....load camera....start with
28-135...front (click)...angled, from infinity (click)...angled,
from macro (clidk).....rinse, change lenses, repeat with 70-200 and
50mm....bring back card to computer...view....
...
...
...
back focusing. Every stinking lens. Back focusing.

OK...i'm now faced with the following dilemma...send in my 10D for
Canon to try and get it right (they're not touching my lenses), or
return the 10D to the dealer and trade up for a 1D.

I'd like to keep the 10D, but I'm afraid of it maybe NEVER being
right...and with the investment I already have now...I'd rather go
the extra mile and get the 10D.

I wont be blowing anything up larger than 13x9....would the 1D be
sufficient for 13x9 portrait work? If not, what's its size
limitation?

Thanks. Mark

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http://www.pbase.com/greentank
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OK, what AF chart are you using.

Show us the link. Make sure you're using the one that's NOW on the page. Double-check.

Are you doing this indoors? Shame on you. Go outside.

Have you selected only the center AF point.

Are you close enough to the target to absolutely make sure you're not focusing on the edge of the chart?

You may be doing things perfectly correctly and have a real problem. But you sound quite rushed, and have already shown you've made several mistakes.

So, calm down, answer a few questions, and just maybe (hopefully) you'll find that the camera is OK.

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DavidP said:
OK, what AF chart are you using.

Show us the link. Make sure you're using the one that's NOW on the
page. Double-check.
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What do you mean the one that's NOW on the page?
DavidP #28649 said:
Are you doing this indoors? Shame on you. Go outside.
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Yes..indoors. I believe the results are acurate, but I'll recheck outside.
DavidP #28649 said:
Have you selected only the center AF point.
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Yes
DavidP #28649 said:
Are you close enough to the target to absolutely make sure you're
not focusing on the edge of the chart?
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Roughly 2m away....(except on the 50mm...I moved closer for that one)
DavidP #28649 said:
You may be doing things perfectly correctly and have a real
problem. But you sound quite rushed, and have already shown
you've made several mistakes.

So, calm down, answer a few questions, and just maybe (hopefully)
you'll find that the camera is OK.
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starts breathing into a paper bag
DavidP #28649 said:
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greentank said:
What do you mean the one that's NOW on the page?
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I don't know when you downloaded the chart (or from what page). If it's the page I'm thinking of, that chart has changed (for the better) several times in the last few weeks. Make sure you have the latest copy. It's been redesigned to help eliminate "false positives" for front-focusing.
greentank said:
Yes..indoors. I believe the results are acurate, but I'll recheck
outside.
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Definitely go outside. Poor indoor lighting can easily cause mis-focusing to occur.
greentank said:
Yes
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OK, good. I assume you're also in One-Shot mode, and not AI-Servo?
greentank said:
Roughly 2m away....(except on the 50mm...I moved closer for that one)
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Try moving closer. How close? Just make sure that you're not closer than the minimum focusing distance on the lens. I suggest being just past it, actually. When you focus, check to make sure (on the focus indicator) that you still can turn the ring 10 or 20 degrees towards the minimum focusing distance before it stops.
greentank said:
starts breathing into a paper bag
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Don't do it too long, or you'll pass out. ;)

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Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Hi Mark

Sorry to here about your focusing delima. A few people have had genuine focusing issues with their 10D, but most of us have not. I would definately exchange it for another 10D. When you consider the image quality of this camera, and the fact that you can get a new one for

Regards
Mark
greentank said:
So I get my lenses today....

70-200 2.8L IS
28-135 IS
50 1.4
1.4x
...and a battery grip.

So I'm LOVING the look, feel, and focus speed of the 70-200. The
28-135 is a bit slower, but still nice. I take some pics, transfer
them.....blurry?!?!

WTF!!!!! Wait...wait...check the stats....huh? 1/15 speed!?!
AHHH...ISO set to 100. DOH!!!!....reset ISO to 400.....go take more
shots...."NO CF CARD". DOH!!!!! ARGH!!!! Dont panic, dont
panic....run back inside, grab card out of reader, put back in
camera.....start taking pics....its still shaky!!!WHYYYYY!!!! OH
wait....turn IS on. THere...that's better. Very nice indeed....take
some pics...come inside...view.....

....

....hmm...not bad, but not as sharp as I'd expect...something looks
slightly...off?

Run to kitchen...grab box of Sugar Smacks that eternally has my AF
chart taped to it...put it on the island.....set up camera...DOH!!!
Run back to grab card from reader....load camera....start with
28-135...front (click)...angled, from infinity (click)...angled,
from macro (clidk).....rinse, change lenses, repeat with 70-200 and
50mm....bring back card to computer...view....
...
...
...
back focusing. Every stinking lens. Back focusing.

OK...i'm now faced with the following dilemma...send in my 10D for
Canon to try and get it right (they're not touching my lenses), or
return the 10D to the dealer and trade up for a 1D.

I'd like to keep the 10D, but I'm afraid of it maybe NEVER being
right...and with the investment I already have now...I'd rather go
the extra mile and get the 10D.

I wont be blowing anything up larger than 13x9....would the 1D be
sufficient for 13x9 portrait work? If not, what's its size
limitation?

Thanks. Mark

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I had one group of fifty photos that had about 50% looking softer than normal. When I checked the exif most were shot at 1/40 of a second or less. Upon further trial and error I have come to grips with the fact that my hands are not as steady as I thought. My 10D is working perfectly I am the problem. I can feel your pain because I know how excited I was to get my 10D. I also know how disapointed you must be not getting the results you expected. Please exhaust all possibilities before you send it back because when they work correctly they can produce some great photos. If I could afford a 1D I would have bought that in a heartbeat.
greentank said:
So I get my lenses today....

70-200 2.8L IS
28-135 IS
50 1.4
1.4x
...and a battery grip.

So I'm LOVING the look, feel, and focus speed of the 70-200. The
28-135 is a bit slower, but still nice. I take some pics, transfer
them.....blurry?!?!

WTF!!!!! Wait...wait...check the stats....huh? 1/15 speed!?!
AHHH...ISO set to 100. DOH!!!!....reset ISO to 400.....go take more
shots...."NO CF CARD". DOH!!!!! ARGH!!!! Dont panic, dont
panic....run back inside, grab card out of reader, put back in
camera.....start taking pics....its still shaky!!!WHYYYYY!!!! OH
wait....turn IS on. THere...that's better. Very nice indeed....take
some pics...come inside...view.....

....

....hmm...not bad, but not as sharp as I'd expect...something looks
slightly...off?

Run to kitchen...grab box of Sugar Smacks that eternally has my AF
chart taped to it...put it on the island.....set up camera...DOH!!!
Run back to grab card from reader....load camera....start with
28-135...front (click)...angled, from infinity (click)...angled,
from macro (clidk).....rinse, change lenses, repeat with 70-200 and
50mm....bring back card to computer...view....
...
...
...
back focusing. Every stinking lens. Back focusing.

OK...i'm now faced with the following dilemma...send in my 10D for
Canon to try and get it right (they're not touching my lenses), or
return the 10D to the dealer and trade up for a 1D.

I'd like to keep the 10D, but I'm afraid of it maybe NEVER being
right...and with the investment I already have now...I'd rather go
the extra mile and get the 10D.

I wont be blowing anything up larger than 13x9....would the 1D be
sufficient for 13x9 portrait work? If not, what's its size
limitation?

Thanks. Mark

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http://www.pbase.com/greentank
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and check out this thread (you probably didn't catch it since the charts are described and recommended testing procedures are detailed here).
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=5022644
greentank said:
So I get my lenses today....

70-200 2.8L IS
28-135 IS
50 1.4
1.4x
...and a battery grip.

So I'm LOVING the look, feel, and focus speed of the 70-200. The
28-135 is a bit slower, but still nice. I take some pics, transfer
them.....blurry?!?!

WTF!!!!! Wait...wait...check the stats....huh? 1/15 speed!?!
AHHH...ISO set to 100. DOH!!!!....reset ISO to 400.....go take more
shots...."NO CF CARD". DOH!!!!! ARGH!!!! Dont panic, dont
panic....run back inside, grab card out of reader, put back in
camera.....start taking pics....its still shaky!!!WHYYYYY!!!! OH
wait....turn IS on. THere...that's better. Very nice indeed....take
some pics...come inside...view.....

....

....hmm...not bad, but not as sharp as I'd expect...something looks
slightly...off?

Run to kitchen...grab box of Sugar Smacks that eternally has my AF
chart taped to it...put it on the island.....set up camera...DOH!!!
Run back to grab card from reader....load camera....start with
28-135...front (click)...angled, from infinity (click)...angled,
from macro (clidk).....rinse, change lenses, repeat with 70-200 and
50mm....bring back card to computer...view....
...
...
...
back focusing. Every stinking lens. Back focusing.

OK...i'm now faced with the following dilemma...send in my 10D for
Canon to try and get it right (they're not touching my lenses), or
return the 10D to the dealer and trade up for a 1D.

I'd like to keep the 10D, but I'm afraid of it maybe NEVER being
right...and with the investment I already have now...I'd rather go
the extra mile and get the 10D.

I wont be blowing anything up larger than 13x9....would the 1D be
sufficient for 13x9 portrait work? If not, what's its size
limitation?

Thanks. Mark

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http://www.pbase.com/image/16509555

http://www.pbase.com/image/16509571

http://www.pbase.com/image/16509589

As you can see, its focusing 5-10mm back. Sometimes it seems worse, sometimes not. But I'm consistently getting the same results - some level of backfocusing.

BAsed on these pics...do you agree? Is this in need of fixing...or am I just being picky?

and here's one of my daughter taken at the same time...light sucks, but she's a great object (of my affection!)...

http://www.pbase.com/image/16509783

Mark
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When I received my 200mm f/2.8L lens this week, it was backfocusing pretty badly. I was VERY frustrated. Then, I remembered an old trick I read about. I removed my main battery and backup battery and let the camera sit for a few minutes to totally 100% clear all memory and settings in the camera (I realize the 10D has a menu option to clear all settings but I don't know if it works the same as just cutting all power to the camera for forcing a full factory reset). I put the batteries back in and re-mounted the 200mm L lens and... TADA.. perfect, super-ultra-sharp, photos with perfect focus.

Try it out, once... just in case.
 
Nathan Dandar said:
When I received my 200mm f/2.8L lens this week, it was backfocusing
pretty badly. I was VERY frustrated. Then, I remembered an old
trick I read about. I removed my main battery and backup battery
and let the camera sit for a few minutes to totally 100% clear all
memory and settings in the camera (I realize the 10D has a menu
option to clear all settings but I don't know if it works the same
as just cutting all power to the camera for forcing a full factory
reset). I put the batteries back in and re-mounted the 200mm L
lens and... TADA.. perfect, super-ultra-sharp, photos with perfect
focus.

Try it out, once... just in case.
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